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Cthulhu on 29 May 2013

soooo I guess you wont be able to play your games offline after all. Or when you have a slow connection or trouble with the connection your game breaks...imagine sharing the internet or your torrents eat up your bandwidth hmmm then what? graphics wont load or the game freezes.

I see nothing wrong with that



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ironmanDX on 29 May 2013
Torillian said:
Seems to me that the DF article and this developer's interview go pretty well together. The DF article mentioned that one area where a lot of the problems he cited for cloud computing wouldn't be an issue would be helping to load large open-world games. That's exactly the type of game Avalanche makes so the two seem to fit in line perfectly.

Not sure where the argument is coming from. It'll be interesting to see if this cloud computing service makes a notable difference for any 3rd party multiplatform games.

Being a mod, I'm surprised you haven't heard. The Xbox ONE is not allowed to be better than the PS4 in any way, shape or form at all on this site, nor are MS allowed to be hyped and make a thread about it without it being hijacked!!

Not sure how people are claiming this as "PR" talk either. What I am sure of though, is that they probably are in denial or just refuse to read the article at all.



Osc89 on 29 May 2013
ironmanDX said:
Torillian said:
Seems to me that the DF article and this developer's interview go pretty well together. The DF article mentioned that one area where a lot of the problems he cited for cloud computing wouldn't be an issue would be helping to load large open-world games. That's exactly the type of game Avalanche makes so the two seem to fit in line perfectly.

Not sure where the argument is coming from. It'll be interesting to see if this cloud computing service makes a notable difference for any 3rd party multiplatform games.

Being a mod, I'm surprised you haven't heard. The Xbox ONE is not allowed to be better than the PS4 in any way, shape or form at all on this site, nor are MS allowed to be hyped and make a thread about it without it being hijacked!!

Not sure how people are claiming this as "PR" talk either. What I am sure of though, is that they probably are in denial or just refuse to read the article at all.


I don't see why anyone would want to think about the positives until Microsoft sort out the DRM mess. The more people complain, the more likely they will be to change it.



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sergiodaly on 29 May 2013
kowenicki said:

no idea.

neither have you

It costs me £25 a month... including 75meg download speed, 15meg upload, uncapped, land line rental and unlimited evening and weekend national telephone calls (not that I ever use my home phone)

basically... its cheap.

nice up speed... i have 120 down but just 8 up (not that 8 isn't good)...

@OP... its one of those things... have to wait and see it for my self before i believe it... i'm keeping my feet on the ground for now... for this and for the Playstation stream service.

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Scoobes on 29 May 2013
Madword said:
Scoobes said:
Madword said:
The average speed of home broadband is now 12Mbps.. its taken 4 years to get to this speed, when the average before was 3.6.

Huh? Not according to the DF article:

Using a BBC article that was talking about UK:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21785383

Their article is talking about top 10?

Yeah, they got their Top 10 figures from Akamai from the last quarter. UK doesn't make the Top 10 apparently.




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Scoobes on 29 May 2013
tres said:
Mmmfishtacos said:

 

Whether Xbox One games perform will better than PS4 titles (or vice-versa), however, is "too early to say," Blomberg adds.

"I think [Xbox One and PS4] will be very similar in the end," Blomberg says. "Of course, if we find areas where either platform is particularly strong then we'll take advantage of that. But it's too early to say if our games will look better on any of the two platforms. All I can say is that there's potential for visually stunning games on both platforms."

even he states it right here. They don't even know for sure that it will be better. 

 


from my perspective i see this whole cloud debate as the sony corner really just want to be on top.  its like microsoft is doing it it sucks, it dont work, and so on.  when sony bought gaikai  and all it's cloud prowess the souny corner cheered it on.  it's the best thing in the world (whew almost inserted some political commentary since its soooo similar)

Gaikai and what MS are proposing are two very different scenarios though.

Gaikai is simply downloading a compressed video stream whilst uploading control inputs. There's not a lot of data that gets transferred. We also know Gaikai's method is feasible because they had a system working and from all accounts it was working better than OnLive (which also worked and used a similar concept).

What MS are proposing has only been touched on in MMOs and a few single player games. It would require much greater volume of data transfer hence why people are sceptical, especially when grandiose claims are made. Take Diablo 3 and Sim City which utilised a similar system; one or both suffered from lag, stuttering and connection drops. When these are users first encounters with online processing, it's not difficult to see why many are sceptical of its benefits.

Don't get me wrong, the tech has potential, but MS have to prove the techs worth in gaming.




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the2real4mafol on 29 May 2013

An "advantage" i will never really use. Not like internet is really fast enough for this technology yet, we are still waiting for a full 4G network rollout in the UK. In a few years, cloud gaming could really be something great though, when second hand won't exist as it's impossible to trade a virtual good in most places



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Nightwish224 on 29 May 2013
sales2099 said:
Madword said:
Just keep drinking that PR Wine then ;)

lol god forbid Xbox 1 has one pro over PS4. Inconcievable!


Exactly.  Sony Defense Force will always be present online.  Can't we just embrace some differences in a console?  If anything, this will force the PS4 to step up their game with additional features -- it's not a bad thing to have some healthy competition *shakes head*



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Madword on 29 May 2013
Nightwish224 said:

Exactly.  Sony Defense Force will always be present online.  Can't we just embrace some differences in a console?  If anything, this will force the PS4 to step up their game with additional features -- it's not a bad thing to have some healthy competition *shakes head*

Unfortunately your comment is the flip coin of the problem... suggesting that anyone commenting is a SDF... rather than trying to suggest there are serious technical issues and issues with whats being suggested. You just dismiss the issues.... exactly like people did with Kinect. Don't really have to remind people of how that turned out (ignoring the fact that it sold well, technically it was a mess).

I know people want to hear positive things about a console, and the XboxOne hasnt had a good time of it this last week... but really, the cloud is going to turn a gaming machine into some uber computer.



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tres on 29 May 2013
Scoobes said:
tres said:
Mmmfishtacos said:

 

Whether Xbox One games perform will better than PS4 titles (or vice-versa), however, is "too early to say," Blomberg adds.

"I think [Xbox One and PS4] will be very similar in the end," Blomberg says. "Of course, if we find areas where either platform is particularly strong then we'll take advantage of that. But it's too early to say if our games will look better on any of the two platforms. All I can say is that there's potential for visually stunning games on both platforms."

even he states it right here. They don't even know for sure that it will be better. 

 


from my perspective i see this whole cloud debate as the sony corner really just want to be on top.  its like microsoft is doing it it sucks, it dont work, and so on.  when sony bought gaikai  and all it's cloud prowess the souny corner cheered it on.  it's the best thing in the world (whew almost inserted some political commentary since its soooo similar)

Gaikai and what MS are proposing are two very different scenarios though.

Gaikai is simply downloading a compressed video stream whilst uploading control inputs. There's not a lot of data that gets transferred. We also know Gaikai's method is feasible because they had a system working and from all accounts it was working better than OnLive (which also worked and used a similar concept).

What MS are proposing has only been touched on in MMOs and a few single player games. It would require much greater volume of data transfer hence why people are sceptical, especially when grandiose claims are made. Take Diablo 3 and Sim City which utilised a similar system; one or both suffered from lag, stuttering and connection drops. When these are users first encounters with online processing, it's not difficult to see why many are sceptical of its benefits.

Don't get me wrong, the tech has potential, but MS have to prove the techs worth in gaming.

fair enough....

personally i'd like to see if it's possible.  i understand the pure vitriol loathing that sony fan people have for ms but they have to ask themselves why are they so judgemental and angry at something they won't nor even think of buying.  me i've always like new tech ideas so while skeptical im intrigue.  none of us on this site nor those guessing with their articles know what microsoft is actually doing.  wonder if i can hook the ps4 into xb1