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VGKing said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah, another great reply from VGKing :) Now telling me what I should care about and consider right or wrong?
The use of "senstionnal" keywords like "ant-consumers" does not make it more real...

You see, these statements are arrogant or anti-consumers to you just because you already made your oppinion about them years ago, great for you, but your oppinion is different than mine. Same goes for what is right or wrong or what is anti-consumers or not.

Just accept the fact that everyone does not think like you. Oh you can pretend to be the majority if it makes you happy; but I doubt it (at least oustide of the Sony fan base) :)

Limiting used games trading/selling/lending/whatever = Anti-Consumer. There is no debate here. This goes against what the majority of consumes want.
This statement that gamers will buy your console no matter what, its arrogant. It's not my opinion, its not my bias. This is the very definition of  an arrogant statement.

I didn't make up my opinion about Microsoft years ago. My opinion keeps changing over time just like it does for Sony/Nintendo/Apple/whatever. It isn't just black/white, right/wrong.

No, this is just your opinion (and of course others are and are not sharing it).
And please about your opinion on MS... You are very well known for constantly bashing any MS threads on these forums :)



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You have got to be bloody kidding me...

You're saying as I'm a Nintendo fan, I will buy a product from Nintendo themselves that is a Virtual Boy without any regard of any negativity, that outways the good aspects, and that potentially kills me, simply because of the product they made games they make??? O.o'
Consider me BLIND fanboy then! x_x

Are you daff!?!?!?! :/



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Unfortunately, he's kinda right. Gamers love to complain, but they won't about a thing care if they want to play a game. It's just like when game prices increased to $60, everyone was upset, but when the consoles released with the games they wanted, nobody cared anymore. Same with online passes, abusive DLC practices and many other awful decisions this industry has been throwing at us.

Of course, there are exceptions. Like when Ubisoft decided to release those DRM'ed PC games and, thanks to the PC community fighting against it, these games sold so little that Ubi needed to rethink their approach on PC gaming. And... Well, that's the only exception I can think off.

While I would like to believe console gamers would stand up against this shit MS and 3rds are doing, history shows quite the opposite. I just hope that this time gamers are more conscious of the impacts those kinds of policies will have on gaming and actually stop buying everything the industry throws at them. The best way to fight against those kinds of anti-constumer policies are with your wallets, if they don't get any money, they will be obliged to change their way of managing consoles. I already made my decision that I won't buy any console with those kinds of used games restrictions or always-online requirements and I want to believe that i'm not the only one here who thinks the same.



sniper989 said:
M$ getting very arrogant..


I'm pretty sure it's the writer that is arrogant.



Imaginedvl said:
VGKing said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah, another great reply from VGKing :) Now telling me what I should care about and consider right or wrong?
The use of "senstionnal" keywords like "ant-consumers" does not make it more real...

You see, these statements are arrogant or anti-consumers to you just because you already made your oppinion about them years ago, great for you, but your oppinion is different than mine. Same goes for what is right or wrong or what is anti-consumers or not.

Just accept the fact that everyone does not think like you. Oh you can pretend to be the majority if it makes you happy; but I doubt it (at least oustide of the Sony fan base) :)

Limiting used games trading/selling/lending/whatever = Anti-Consumer. There is no debate here. This goes against what the majority of consumes want.
This statement that gamers will buy your console no matter what, its arrogant. It's not my opinion, its not my bias. This is the very definition of  an arrogant statement.

I didn't make up my opinion about Microsoft years ago. My opinion keeps changing over time just like it does for Sony/Nintendo/Apple/whatever. It isn't just black/white, right/wrong.

No, this is just your opinion (and of course others are and are not sharing it).
And please about your opinion on MS... You are very well known for constantly bashing any MS threads on these forums :)

I've owned both xbox consoles and love my 360 but I would have to agree with VGKing.

Stripping functionality and rights are anti-consumer practices. It's pretty black and white if you ask me.



 

 

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wick said:

I've owned both xbox consoles and love my 360 but I would have to agree with VGKing.

Stripping functionality and rights are anti-consumer practices. It's pretty black and white if you ask me.


Well, lets not call the pot a kettle.
Sony stripped away functionality with the PS3, removing Linux and removing hardware-based backwards compatability.
The only difference here is that, Microsoft is letting everyone know what they're getting into before buying into the platform.

It's still a crappy thing both companys are doing/have done and it doesn't have consumers in it's best interests either.

I'm actually hoping Micrososft has slow sales with the Xbox One with the core demographic, it might make them sit-up and listen and remove some of the restrictions, they are goverened by financial incentives after all, like all for-profit companies.




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Pemalite said:
wick said:

I've owned both xbox consoles and love my 360 but I would have to agree with VGKing.

Stripping functionality and rights are anti-consumer practices. It's pretty black and white if you ask me.


Well, lets not call the pot a kettle.
Sony stripped away functionality with the PS3, removing Linux and removing hardware-based backwards compatability.
The only difference here is that, Microsoft is letting everyone know what they're getting into before buying into the platform.

It's still a crappy thing both companys are doing/have done and it doesn't have consumers in it's best interests either.

I'm actually hoping Micrososft has slow sales with the Xbox One with the core demographic, it might make them sit-up and listen and remove some of the restrictions, they are goverened by financial incentives after all, like all for-profit companies.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Sony. There's a reason I don't own a PS3.

In all honesty I don't get the whole fanboy thing. If I like something I'll buy it.

The moment a company tries to take advantage of me, I drop them like a hot brick.

Consumers used to have the power. Sadly it seems those days are ending when people are willing to get fucked over by multinational companies can make more billions, all in the name of some crazy loyalty to the company.



 

 

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Systems I've owned: Atari 2600, NES, SNES, GBColor, N64, Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, GBAdvance, DSlite, PSP, Wii, Xbox360, PS3, 3DS, PSVita, PS4, 3DS XL, Wii U

The best quote I've seen this year:

Angelus said: I'm a moron

Imaginedvl said:
VGKing said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah, another great reply from VGKing :) Now telling me what I should care about and consider right or wrong?
The use of "senstionnal" keywords like "ant-consumers" does not make it more real...

You see, these statements are arrogant or anti-consumers to you just because you already made your oppinion about them years ago, great for you, but your oppinion is different than mine. Same goes for what is right or wrong or what is anti-consumers or not.

Just accept the fact that everyone does not think like you. Oh you can pretend to be the majority if it makes you happy; but I doubt it (at least oustide of the Sony fan base) :)

Limiting used games trading/selling/lending/whatever = Anti-Consumer. There is no debate here. This goes against what the majority of consumes want.
This statement that gamers will buy your console no matter what, its arrogant. It's not my opinion, its not my bias. This is the very definition of  an arrogant statement.

I didn't make up my opinion about Microsoft years ago. My opinion keeps changing over time just like it does for Sony/Nintendo/Apple/whatever. It isn't just black/white, right/wrong.

No, this is just your opinion (and of course others are and are not sharing it).
And please about your opinion on MS... You are very well known for constantly bashing any MS threads on these forums :)

Stay on topic.

It's not my opinion, how is limitng used games not anti-consumer? Please explain.



Pemalite said:
wick said:

I've owned both xbox consoles and love my 360 but I would have to agree with VGKing.

Stripping functionality and rights are anti-consumer practices. It's pretty black and white if you ask me.


Well, lets not call the pot a kettle.
Sony stripped away functionality with the PS3, removing Linux and removing hardware-based backwards compatability.
The only difference here is that, Microsoft is letting everyone know what they're getting into before buying into the platform.

It's still a crappy thing both companys are doing/have done and it doesn't have consumers in it's best interests either.

I'm actually hoping Micrososft has slow sales with the Xbox One with the core demographic, it might make them sit-up and listen and remove some of the restrictions, they are goverened by financial incentives after all, like all for-profit companies.

Linux support was a niche feature that almost no one used. Comparing that to used games limitations is like night and day. You do have a point though, both are anti-consumer. Removing b/c from the Slim models isn't anti-consumer though. If it is then I guess Nintendo is also screwing over consumers by removing Gamecube support from the Wii mini?

@bold
Actualy they're not. They keep saying something then going back saying something else in a different interview.



VGKing said:
Imaginedvl said:

No, this is just your opinion (and of course others are and are not sharing it).
And please about your opinion on MS... You are very well known for constantly bashing any MS threads on these forums :)

Stay on topic.

It's not my opinion, how is limitng used games not anti-consumer? Please explain.

Do not tell me to stay on topic :) The conversation is offtopic for a while now.
Don't worry, I'm done with it anyway, we need to go back on topic and I'm tired of arguing with you.

Microsoft is right in my mind. Gamers will buy it eventually and it is not arrogant in any way.