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Forums - Gaming - Confirmed: Always online basically required to access games/You need to purchase seperate game on different account no sharing allowed

dahuman on 23 May 2013

They are pretty much saying that they want to be the cable box of America, fuck the rest of the world, and leeching off subscription fees. Any more questions?



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chapset on 23 May 2013
yo_john117 said:
"Microsoft also states the XBOX one will probably be the last console you need to buy"

Cloud computing for life like graphics in the future?

I'm all for having this be the last console I need to buy if it's possible.

Take that with a grain of salt lol I remember PR people saying this gen would be the last one using a disk and the possibility of the ps4 and nextbox shipping without a disk drive.



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

g911turbo on 23 May 2013
disolitude said:
Nice spin Leo...

His words are that without internet you are able to play bluray movies and some game modes...
That "some game mode" is most likely single player and all this BS is in vain.


Unlikely in bold.  They probably mean free to play games, or arcade type games that are 5-10 bucks.   Etc.  This is full of marketing spin. 

On big budget games they can easily make it fully locked out (single player and all).  Look at Diablo 3 as an example, and that's on PC let alone a fully controlled Xbox!



g911turbo on 23 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 

Something doesn't add up here. From the article you linked to it says "players who activate a pre-owned retail disc will need to pay the same price as the original buyer in order to access its content". Why do you need to activate a pre-owned retail disc if you have the disc itself? It would be no different then if I brought the disc to a friends house to play while I'm there. It still sounds like you would have to log into your friend's console with your account to play your copy of the game.


From the sounds of it you disc is linked to your account.  

Your LICENSE is tied to your account.  The disc is borderline worthless.  You would need to log into YOUR account at your friends house to play the game.  Once your friend logs into his account, he would NOT be able to play the game, even if the data is on his hard drive and/or the disc in the system.  He of course, could start playing on HIS account if he BUYS the game.  My guess is that will be full retail price.

Look up Diablo 3 for the full extent of what Microsoft and Sony could do here if they really wanted to.



g911turbo on 23 May 2013
Nem said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 


Call me skeptic, but they arent mentioning something important here.

They say the game is tied to the account. Doesnt that mean that other people with the disc can only play it with the disc and my account login? I doubt they will be able to play on theirs. If you can play the game in any account aslong as you have the disc then its alright. 


Bold is today's game model.  That would be awesome, but that is NOT what they are describing.  They are discribing linking your account to your license to play the game.  Having the disc or not would be irrelevant.



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Imaginedvl on 23 May 2013
g911turbo said:
Nem said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 


Call me skeptic, but they arent mentioning something important here.

They say the game is tied to the account. Doesnt that mean that other people with the disc can only play it with the disc and my account login? I doubt they will be able to play on theirs. If you can play the game in any account aslong as you have the disc then its alright. 


Bold is today's game model.  That would be awesome, but that is NOT what they are describing.  They are discribing linking your account to your license to play the game.  Having the disc or not would be irrelevant.

Today's game model for Xbox is a bit different than that for digital games... 99% of the people complaining does not even realize that.
Today if you buy a game online (Arcade or On demande), it will be tied to your account...

NOW... EVERYONE on the same console (the first console you installed the game) can play it... And I'm pretty Microsoft is going to conitnue with that model; I do not why it would be different.

So basically if you have one console at home and you install the game on it. Everyone can play the game on that console.
And before clueless people are coming in and start saying that Microsoft did not "specificaly" said that; they did not for the 360 but this is just how it works.



g911turbo on 23 May 2013
Imaginedvl said:
g911turbo said:
Nem said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 


Call me skeptic, but they arent mentioning something important here.

They say the game is tied to the account. Doesnt that mean that other people with the disc can only play it with the disc and my account login? I doubt they will be able to play on theirs. If you can play the game in any account aslong as you have the disc then its alright. 


Bold is today's game model.  That would be awesome, but that is NOT what they are describing.  They are discribing linking your account to your license to play the game.  Having the disc or not would be irrelevant.

Today's game model for Xbox is a bit different than that for digital games... 99% of the people complaining does not even realize that.
Today if you buy a game online (Arcade or On demande), it will be tied to your account...

NOW... EVERYONE on the same console (the first console you installed the game) can play it... And I'm pretty Microsoft is going to conitnue with that model; I do not why it would be different.

So basically if you have one console at home and you install the game on it. Everyone can play the game on that console.
And before clueless people are coming in and start saying that Microsoft did not "specificaly" said that; they did not for the 360 but this is just how it works.

Yeah, but now they are making a physical disc purchase the same way.  Anyone who plays on the console (under that one account mind you) can play the game.  But if you try to take that same disc and play it on another account, it will not play.  You would need to purchase a new license for that account.  Therefore, you cannot sell your disc much like you cannot sell your online download of a game.

If that is the case, you might as well download.  I have a fast internet connection, so I can probably download a game faster than I could get in my car, get to to best buy and back and then rip it to my HDD.



Imaginedvl on 23 May 2013
g911turbo said:
Imaginedvl said:
g911turbo said:
Nem said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 


Call me skeptic, but they arent mentioning something important here.

They say the game is tied to the account. Doesnt that mean that other people with the disc can only play it with the disc and my account login? I doubt they will be able to play on theirs. If you can play the game in any account aslong as you have the disc then its alright. 


Bold is today's game model.  That would be awesome, but that is NOT what they are describing.  They are discribing linking your account to your license to play the game.  Having the disc or not would be irrelevant.

Today's game model for Xbox is a bit different than that for digital games... 99% of the people complaining does not even realize that.
Today if you buy a game online (Arcade or On demande), it will be tied to your account...

NOW... EVERYONE on the same console (the first console you installed the game) can play it... And I'm pretty Microsoft is going to conitnue with that model; I do not why it would be different.

So basically if you have one console at home and you install the game on it. Everyone can play the game on that console.
And before clueless people are coming in and start saying that Microsoft did not "specificaly" said that; they did not for the 360 but this is just how it works.

Yeah, but now they are making a physical disc purchase the same way.  Anyone who plays on the console (under that one account mind you) can play the game.  But if you try to take that same disc and play it on another account, it will not play.  You would need to purchase a new license for that account.  Therefore, you cannot sell your disc much like you cannot sell your online download of a game.

If that is the case, you might as well download.  I have a fast internet connection, so I can probably download a game faster than I could get in my car, get to to best buy and back and then rip it to my HDD.

I'm not arguing with both of you points. They are basically giving you a downloadable game on disc but the model will be exactly the same as digital games from now on. As far the trade; I think they are working on something (I have no link sorry but I ahve read that somewhere) that will allow people to sell their "used" game online at some point.

I like this idea as going to EBGames / Gamestop for instance is no different to me :)



g911turbo on 23 May 2013
Imaginedvl said:
g911turbo said:
Imaginedvl said:
g911turbo said:
Nem said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 


Call me skeptic, but they arent mentioning something important here.

They say the game is tied to the account. Doesnt that mean that other people with the disc can only play it with the disc and my account login? I doubt they will be able to play on theirs. If you can play the game in any account aslong as you have the disc then its alright. 


Bold is today's game model.  That would be awesome, but that is NOT what they are describing.  They are discribing linking your account to your license to play the game.  Having the disc or not would be irrelevant.

Today's game model for Xbox is a bit different than that for digital games... 99% of the people complaining does not even realize that.
Today if you buy a game online (Arcade or On demande), it will be tied to your account...

NOW... EVERYONE on the same console (the first console you installed the game) can play it... And I'm pretty Microsoft is going to conitnue with that model; I do not why it would be different.

So basically if you have one console at home and you install the game on it. Everyone can play the game on that console.
And before clueless people are coming in and start saying that Microsoft did not "specificaly" said that; they did not for the 360 but this is just how it works.

Yeah, but now they are making a physical disc purchase the same way.  Anyone who plays on the console (under that one account mind you) can play the game.  But if you try to take that same disc and play it on another account, it will not play.  You would need to purchase a new license for that account.  Therefore, you cannot sell your disc much like you cannot sell your online download of a game.

If that is the case, you might as well download.  I have a fast internet connection, so I can probably download a game faster than I could get in my car, get to to best buy and back and then rip it to my HDD.

I'm not arguing with both of you points. They are basically giving you a downloadable game on disc but the model will be exactly the same as digital games from now on. As far the trade; I think they are working on something (I have no link sorry but I ahve read that somewhere) that will allow people to sell their "used" game online at some point.

I like this idea as going to EBGames / Gamestop for instance is no different to me :)


Sounds like we are agreeing.  Agreed in bold.  They are moving the DISC based model to the DIGITAL DOWNLOAD model.  One in the same, meaning your account is now tied to a license, disc or not. 

 

And yes, it remains to be seen if they will back off from that slightly and offer a way to trade used licenses (since it doesn't matter if you downloaded it or have it on disc) in a market place.  I would be on board with direct licensing trade (maybe ebay style with Microsoft taking a percentage cut).  Might put Gamestop out of business, but whatever...



Jazz2K on 23 May 2013

Ok so if I understand correctly

- You buy a game and need to install it on your console in order to play it then you need to activate it online to play without the disc.

- Every 24 hours you need to be online to validate the games that are in your console.

- You can play the same game with no charges on multiple accounts as long as all these accounts are on the same console.

- You can take you game and play it on a friend's Xone no problem, the gamme will need to be installed too but will need an activation if you want to play without the disc in the tray.

- If you remove the disc from your friend's console the Xone, via Live, will recognize this game as already tied to another account and will ask to activate it to play it even if the game is already installed in. Activation costs may vary from full price to publisher's discounts.

Ok so it's a bit complicated but not that complicated in the end... people need to calm down.