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theprof00 on 22 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Actually no, no it's not.

Internet is only on installation to verify it is a new game. You can also share your game on any accoun that is also on your console. thirdly you can take your game to a friends house and play it there without paying. As long as you have the physical disc. That person just cant play it without the disc like you can.

No, you need to sign in with your account as well at your friend's house. It cannot be played off the disc without your account, remember that this would result in MS being pinged that your friend is playing a used game.

Remember, all games have installation as a requirement. It's not about being able to play without the disc. It's about the account.

For example, with battlenet, I can go to my friend's house, bring my copy of diablo 3, install it, and play it over his house using my account. However, when I go home, I can't play starcraft 2 while my friend is playing diablo 3.



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Jaywood2010 on 22 May 2013
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 




       

Arcturus on 22 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 

Thanks. I hadn't read that yet. Do you have a link?



Jaywood2010 on 22 May 2013
Arcturus said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 

Thanks. I hadn't read that yet. Do you have a link?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/408116/microsoft-xbox-one-pre-owned-plans-consistent-with-way-the-world-works/




       

superchunk on 22 May 2013
leo-j said:
superchunk said:
All the Sony fans need to stop gloating. (not saying they are here, just in general)

Sony has already confirmed that this same exact feature set exists in PS4. Only difference is the possibility that it will be based on the publisher to turn in on or off.

However, with the latest words that MS stated that they are still finalizing these features, I'm betting they'll do the same thing as Sony.


really? link it

 http://www.screwattack.com/news/sony-hints-ps4-does-contain-feature-block-used-games-its-publishers-use-it

How did so many people miss this tidbit that was prominent on many sites just after the feb 20th event?



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Arcturus on 22 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 

Something doesn't add up here. From the article you linked to it says "players who activate a pre-owned retail disc will need to pay the same price as the original buyer in order to access its content". Why do you need to activate a pre-owned retail disc if you have the disc itself? It would be no different then if I brought the disc to a friends house to play while I'm there. It still sounds like you would have to log into your friend's console with your account to play your copy of the game.



Arcturus on 22 May 2013
superchunk said:
leo-j said:
superchunk said:
All the Sony fans need to stop gloating. (not saying they are here, just in general)

Sony has already confirmed that this same exact feature set exists in PS4. Only difference is the possibility that it will be based on the publisher to turn in on or off.

However, with the latest words that MS stated that they are still finalizing these features, I'm betting they'll do the same thing as Sony.


really? link it

 http://www.screwattack.com/news/sony-hints-ps4-does-contain-feature-block-used-games-its-publishers-use-it

How did so many people miss this tidbit that was prominent on many sites just after the feb 20th event?

I agree. I tihnk we will see some form of this on the PS4.



Jaywood2010 on 22 May 2013
Arcturus said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 

Something doesn't add up here. From the article you linked to it says "players who activate a pre-owned retail disc will need to pay the same price as the original buyer in order to access its content". Why do you need to activate a pre-owned retail disc if you have the disc itself? It would be no different then if I brought the disc to a friends house to play while I'm there. It still sounds like you would have to log into your friend's console with your account to play your copy of the game.


From the sounds of it you disc is linked to your account.  




       

UltimateUnknown on 22 May 2013
Arcturus said:
JayWood2010 said:
Arcturus said:
Nem said:
Its also funny that if more than one person plays the console on your home (like a brother) and you have different account, you have to buy the same game twice if you both want to play it.

Microsoft: Welcome to the next generation of nickle and dime.

I doubt it will work that way. There was another thread floating around here confirming that all 'sub' accounts on the same physical console are granted the features and functionality of Xbox Live, if the 'main' account on the physical console is the only account that holds a subscription. I assume game sharing will work the same way.

 

"I can give that disc to somebody else - maybe my son who has his own Xbox One somewhere else in the house - and he can install and play it on his machine. I can come to your house with that disc, I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you we can have all of the capabilities of that game.

"The moment I go home and notionally take that disc with me, you no longer have the ability to play that game. But the 'bits' are on your hard drive, so if you want to play that game you can buy it - you can go to the online store, buy it and it's instantly unlocked and playable on your machine. All of the privileges I just described in my house would now apply in yours as well."

As long as you have the physical disc which is tied in with your account.

 

Something doesn't add up here. From the article you linked to it says "players who activate a pre-owned retail disc will need to pay the same price as the original buyer in order to access its content". Why do you need to activate a pre-owned retail disc if you have the disc itself? It would be no different then if I brought the disc to a friends house to play while I'm there. It still sounds like you would have to log into your friend's console with your account to play your copy of the game.

"I can install it on your machine and we can play it and while I'm with you"

That is the part that irks me. Why do I have to be with you for you to play my game? Why can't I just simply lend you my disc, you play my game for however long and then you return the disc back to me. This obviously to me seems to be the case that you have to log into your account to be able to play the game, because we know that you can play Xone games without your disc as long as you have tied it to your account with an activation code. If you could then lend your disc to someone and they could also play the game, then two people could be playing the game at the same time. This also leads to your problem, which is why do you need to activate a pre-owned disc if you can just pop the disc in and play?

It seems like they're still not clarifying this issue and going with a lot of mixed messaging and dodging questions like a boss. And no, I'm not gonna give my friend my entire account, which has all of my games just so that he can borrow one game. Thats essentially the same as giving my friend my entire console just so he could play one game.



 

yo_john117 on 23 May 2013

"Microsoft also states the XBOX one will probably be the last console you need to buy"

Cloud computing for life like graphics in the future?

I'm all for having this be the last console I need to buy if it's possible.