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fordy on 22 May 2013
Play4Fun said:
Sony said it's up to publishers to put used game restrictions on PS4, so it's reasonable to assume that whatever multiplat has that feature on Xbox One will have it on PS4's version as well.


I'm going to go a step further and say EVERY publisher will use this.

"Hey, instead of nothing, how about some extra cash for used games?"

Who's going to say no to that?



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fordy on 22 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

You are basically arguing that Sony is not dumb enough to add used game fees to the games, which I don't know one way or the other if they will, it could swing either way.

What I am saying is that if they definitely are not doing used game fees, then why not just come out and say it? I mean they have already attacked MS for always online. So why not address the used game issue as well? (which seems to be a bigger issue than the always online). And saying it's because they don't want to because they are best friends with EA and don't want to make them "mad" is a flimsy argument at best.


I am saying based on Sony's track record...out of them and Microsoft...Microsoft would be the closest to  being ot of touch with gamers. Tell me how many times Sony has failed an E3 in the last five years? Does Sony learn for their mistakes or make them worse over time? Of the services MS and Sony gives, who thinks more about the gamers pocket? Which company invests more mentalty into the gaming processes opposed to multimedia?  Which company would allow Activision to put their greedy little hands in the cost of Xbox Live? These things all together answer the question of the mentality the company has towards its consumerbase.

...After answering those questions, you'll understand why I've  never trusted Microsoft. If Sony screws up, they screw up....but Sony and Nintendo are the pillars of the console market since Sega left. If we were left with Microsoft, EA & Activision the industry would turn into shit..... and welcome to hell. Let the American corporate influence begin. 

I'm going to sleep.

 

P.S.

I can't wait for Sony to shut everyone up. You'll get your wish when they respond. I tend to think that I am a good judge of character.

Its a blessing that no one questions Nintendo since they know EA doesn't want to develop for them. 

Sony has already dabbled in this sort of "no used games" business this generation. They're just as bad as Microsoft AND EA:

http://au.ign.com/articles/2011/07/06/sony-introduces-psn-pass-program

You're right....based on Sony's track record.....gamers are screwed.



S.T.A.G.E. on 22 May 2013
fordy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

You are basically arguing that Sony is not dumb enough to add used game fees to the games, which I don't know one way or the other if they will, it could swing either way.

What I am saying is that if they definitely are not doing used game fees, then why not just come out and say it? I mean they have already attacked MS for always online. So why not address the used game issue as well? (which seems to be a bigger issue than the always online). And saying it's because they don't want to because they are best friends with EA and don't want to make them "mad" is a flimsy argument at best.


I am saying based on Sony's track record...out of them and Microsoft...Microsoft would be the closest to  being ot of touch with gamers. Tell me how many times Sony has failed an E3 in the last five years? Does Sony learn for their mistakes or make them worse over time? Of the services MS and Sony gives, who thinks more about the gamers pocket? Which company invests more mentalty into the gaming processes opposed to multimedia?  Which company would allow Activision to put their greedy little hands in the cost of Xbox Live? These things all together answer the question of the mentality the company has towards its consumerbase.

...After answering those questions, you'll understand why I've  never trusted Microsoft. If Sony screws up, they screw up....but Sony and Nintendo are the pillars of the console market since Sega left. If we were left with Microsoft, EA & Activision the industry would turn into shit..... and welcome to hell. Let the American corporate influence begin. 

I'm going to sleep.

 

P.S.

I can't wait for Sony to shut everyone up. You'll get your wish when they respond. I tend to think that I am a good judge of character.

Its a blessing that no one questions Nintendo since they know EA doesn't want to develop for them. 

Sony has already dabbled in this sort of "no used games" business this generation. They're just as bad as Microsoft AND EA:

http://au.ign.com/articles/2011/07/06/sony-introduces-psn-pass-program

You're right....based on Sony's track record.....gamers are screwed.


Dude...what the hell kind of proof is that that Sony is screwing gamers? Sony uses an online pass, which is worlds better and actually makes far more sense than blocking used games without payment.



fordy on 22 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
fordy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

You are basically arguing that Sony is not dumb enough to add used game fees to the games, which I don't know one way or the other if they will, it could swing either way.

What I am saying is that if they definitely are not doing used game fees, then why not just come out and say it? I mean they have already attacked MS for always online. So why not address the used game issue as well? (which seems to be a bigger issue than the always online). And saying it's because they don't want to because they are best friends with EA and don't want to make them "mad" is a flimsy argument at best.


I am saying based on Sony's track record...out of them and Microsoft...Microsoft would be the closest to  being ot of touch with gamers. Tell me how many times Sony has failed an E3 in the last five years? Does Sony learn for their mistakes or make them worse over time? Of the services MS and Sony gives, who thinks more about the gamers pocket? Which company invests more mentalty into the gaming processes opposed to multimedia?  Which company would allow Activision to put their greedy little hands in the cost of Xbox Live? These things all together answer the question of the mentality the company has towards its consumerbase.

...After answering those questions, you'll understand why I've  never trusted Microsoft. If Sony screws up, they screw up....but Sony and Nintendo are the pillars of the console market since Sega left. If we were left with Microsoft, EA & Activision the industry would turn into shit..... and welcome to hell. Let the American corporate influence begin. 

I'm going to sleep.

 

P.S.

I can't wait for Sony to shut everyone up. You'll get your wish when they respond. I tend to think that I am a good judge of character.

Its a blessing that no one questions Nintendo since they know EA doesn't want to develop for them. 

Sony has already dabbled in this sort of "no used games" business this generation. They're just as bad as Microsoft AND EA:

http://au.ign.com/articles/2011/07/06/sony-introduces-psn-pass-program

You're right....based on Sony's track record.....gamers are screwed.


Dude...what the hell kind of proof is that that Sony is screwing gamers? Sony uses an online pass, which is worlds better and actually makes far more sense than blocking used games without payment.


RTFA...

PSN Pass uses a code that can only be entered once. Essentially, it is EXACTLY like EA's online pass program.



S.T.A.G.E. on 22 May 2013
fordy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
fordy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

You are basically arguing that Sony is not dumb enough to add used game fees to the games, which I don't know one way or the other if they will, it could swing either way.

What I am saying is that if they definitely are not doing used game fees, then why not just come out and say it? I mean they have already attacked MS for always online. So why not address the used game issue as well? (which seems to be a bigger issue than the always online). And saying it's because they don't want to because they are best friends with EA and don't want to make them "mad" is a flimsy argument at best.


I am saying based on Sony's track record...out of them and Microsoft...Microsoft would be the closest to  being ot of touch with gamers. Tell me how many times Sony has failed an E3 in the last five years? Does Sony learn for their mistakes or make them worse over time? Of the services MS and Sony gives, who thinks more about the gamers pocket? Which company invests more mentalty into the gaming processes opposed to multimedia?  Which company would allow Activision to put their greedy little hands in the cost of Xbox Live? These things all together answer the question of the mentality the company has towards its consumerbase.

...After answering those questions, you'll understand why I've  never trusted Microsoft. If Sony screws up, they screw up....but Sony and Nintendo are the pillars of the console market since Sega left. If we were left with Microsoft, EA & Activision the industry would turn into shit..... and welcome to hell. Let the American corporate influence begin. 

I'm going to sleep.

 

P.S.

I can't wait for Sony to shut everyone up. You'll get your wish when they respond. I tend to think that I am a good judge of character.

Its a blessing that no one questions Nintendo since they know EA doesn't want to develop for them. 

Sony has already dabbled in this sort of "no used games" business this generation. They're just as bad as Microsoft AND EA:

http://au.ign.com/articles/2011/07/06/sony-introduces-psn-pass-program

You're right....based on Sony's track record.....gamers are screwed.


Dude...what the hell kind of proof is that that Sony is screwing gamers? Sony uses an online pass, which is worlds better and actually makes far more sense than blocking used games without payment.


RTFA...

PSN Pass uses a code that can only be entered once. Essentially, it is EXACTLY like EA's online pass program.


Wow...ten dollars after buying a used game to access the online. Compare that to what the Xbox one is doing and please give me a decent arugment. After buying a used game for $10-$30 I would be more than glad to pay them for the multiplayer experience and they dont block me from the single player experience.



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Adobo on 22 May 2013

MS just revealed the new Xbox console. Play-es-tesyon four is not even out yet *sigh*



Roma on 22 May 2013

this must be the most drama filled console war ever!

and I love it all! lol



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

binary solo on 22 May 2013
NobleTeam360 said:
Well Sony stated they will leave the used game situation up to publishers so we will see something similar on PS4.

If Sony stays as a neutral party on used game fees, and doesn't implement it for their own games, except for the current (and acceptable) online pass, then that's a significantly different position to that of Microsoft.

Sony is clearly going to make it possible for publishers to shaft gamers every which way. But in essense, they can shaft gamers right now on PS3 and XB360 if they want to. They can already require always online for their games, and they can require one time activation codes to be used to access SP content.

Sony may hardwire these features into the guts of the PS4, like MS has with Xbone, but I think they will have a distinct consumer advantage if they don't, and if they leave their 1st party titles as they are now. We'll see I guess, and I think it's 50-50 which way Sony wiill jump on this.

The longer Sony is silent on this, the more I suspect Sony will do exactly what MS have done. Though there's still some smoke and mirrors around MS's approach to used games, so it's possible Sony is waiting until the picture with Xbone is clearer so they can actually pin point ways in which PS4 is different, rather than try to identify points of difference where there are a number of uncertainties still remaining.



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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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binary solo on 22 May 2013
badgenome said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
If Sony pulls out this similar shit, Wii-u is my console next gen

I would like to be able to say that, but I refuse to buy a Nintendo system until they stop linking digital purchases to hardware. If they, in infuriatingly delightfully quirky Nintendo fashion, continue refuse to use an account system like every other company this century and Sony follows Microsoft down this stupid, stupid path, I won't be upgrading to next gen at all.

I wish I could say that. But when I told my sons that if Sony pulls an Xbone on used games we're not getting a PS4, they said "fuck you Dad! We're getting a PS4 even if we pay for it ourselves", well the didn't say fuck you, but it was a fuck you response.

Technically if I don't put any money into the PS4 purchase can I claim to have skipped this generation even if I play several PS4 games over the next few years on my sons' PS4?

Holy shit, that would be having  my cake and eating it too! There is an upside to having kids after all.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

sales2099 on 22 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


My purchasing habits tell the story better than my words ever did. I wouldn't have bought a 360 instead of a PS3 at the beginning of this gen if it weren't true. Loyalty free doesn't mean that you cannot prefer a pro gamer company over another. If they screw me over and the other offers a more compelling product thats too bad for them. 

Being loyalty free means little when you in the end behave and act like a Pro PS fan.Just sounds like a clever buzz word to absolve yourself and seperate you from the bias ones



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.