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Jay520 on 19 May 2013
sc94597 said:
Jay520 said:
sc94597 said:
Jay520 said:
@sc

You seem to be referring to the morality of abortion, which is not what I was talking about. I'm talking about who should take responsibility and who has power

Both the man and woman should take a responsibility, because:
(a) The man chose to make decisions that results in a baby - sex; and
(b) The woman chose to make decisions that results in a baby - sex and refusing to abort.
Because both parties made decisions that resulted in a baby, both should take responsibility for a baby.

Both a man and woman have the power to decide on having a baby because a baby requires:
(a) A man who agrees to sex, which can result in a baby; and
(b) A woman who agrees to sex and does not abort, which results in a baby.

From this, we can conclude that no one can force someone to be a parent, because in order to be a parent, that person needs to make decisions which risk the birth of a baby.

So the woman makes a mistake -> she can abort the baby. 

A man makes a mistake -> oh well you're a parent. I see! Equality, huh? 


What? There is no mistake...There is no man in the world that accidentally slipped their penis into a woman's vagina and ejaculated. We're talking about men who make conscious decision to fertilized a woman. Once the man does this, its over; we shouldn't feel sorry for him or give him the ability to abort the baby. He made a decision. Deal with it.

Yes, 9 months after conception, women have more time to change their decision, but so what? That's nature. Why should we feel sorry for the man and give him special powers?

Frankly, my argument is that we shouldn't give the woman special powers. Do not legalize abortion for irresponsible women. Only allow it for women who have health risks or were raped (and even the latter case is contesable.) There is no natural right to kill a fetus. And no, this isn't morality I'm assuming, but natural law. 



Fair enough. I still think its a question of morality, however. I don't believe in "natural laws."

Instead of abortion, do you think instead we should force children to be raised by irresponsible parents? Who knows the consequences of that.

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Mr Puggsly on 19 May 2013
KungKras said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Why not charge her with murder? Because I feel taking away abortion would lead to other problems. Like women looking for more drastic methods to kill their unborn child.

So if people want to have abortions, whatever. I don't want to stop them. But don't tell me a fetus isn't a person so you can sleep better at night.

Does a fetus know that it is a fetus?

Didn't think so.

Fail to see your point.

A fetus is a human developing.

Frankly, a human is a human developing.



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outlawauron on 19 May 2013

Men having a say in whether or not they want/have to be a parent (ie. not having to pay child support) would lead to a lot more abortions, I think. Lots of people living off it.



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SamuelRSmith on 19 May 2013
Jay520 said:
Vertigo-X said:

But didn't the woman do something being "well aware of the consequences"? Why is it only about her rights to her body?


The woman has to deal with the consequences as well. But because of nature, the consequences of unprotected sex for a woman is pregnancy, which she can choose to go through with or not. 


Abortions are nature, now?

If we were /really/ talking about nature. The man could simply fuck her, and then walk away.



Jay520 on 19 May 2013
SamuelRSmith said:


Abortions are nature, now?

If we were /really/ talking about nature. The man could simply fuck her, and then walk away.

No, the woman has the choice of abortions because nature gives her a 9-month period after conception before birth.



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dsage01 on 19 May 2013
Jay520 said:
The man should have to take responsibility for the baby since he made the conscious decision to have unprotected sex when he knew the risks.


exactly. Just where a fucking condom...



Mr Puggsly on 19 May 2013
outlawauron said:
Men having a say in whether or not they want/have to be a parent (ie. not having to pay child support) would lead to a lot more abortions, I think. Lots of people living off it.

I think it would lead to more dead beat dads than abortions.

That allows men to be even more irresponsible.



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outlawauron on 19 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
outlawauron said:
Men having a say in whether or not they want/have to be a parent (ie. not having to pay child support) would lead to a lot more abortions, I think. Lots of people living off it.

I think it would lead to more dead beat dads than abortions.

That allows men to be even more irresponsible.

It's already a big problem with either men skipping payments or being unable to pay them at all. I know that many famous athletes have gone bankrupt because their child support was based on their athletic income and they couldn't keep it up after retiring. I can only imagine how it could be bad after the big slump and a ton of people became un or underemployed.

ETA: I think there should be big overhauls to the entire system. it's not set up in a very logical way and there has to be a better solution so that the child can actually benefit.



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Max King of the Wild on 19 May 2013
outlawauron said:

It's already a big problem with either men skipping payments or being unable to pay them at all. I know that many famous athletes have gone bankrupt because their child support was based on their athletic income and they couldn't keep it up after retiring. I can only imagine how it could be bad after the big slump and a ton of people became un or underemployed.

ETA: I think there should be big overhauls to the entire system. it's not set up in a very logical way and there has to be a better solution so that the child can actually benefit.

the system is stupid. its also stupid that the money goes to the mom and a lot of the time never gets to the kid. if i wanted to start a college fund for my child and save id still need to pay 20% of my monthly earnings to the mother.



KungKras on 19 May 2013
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
curl-6 said:
Jay520 said:
curl-6 said:
Jay520 said:
No, he probably didn't decide to have a baby. BUT he did make the decision to take part in an activity which had a high risk of him being a parent. He took a risk, so he should be prepared to accept the consequences of this risk.

Just because society is fucked up and people treat sex like a game doesn't mean it isn't serious and people shouldn't have to pay the consequences. That's a weak argument.

This isn't the stone age, sex and procreation are no longer one and the same. There's nothing "fucked up" about having sex for fun.


Sure, you can treat sex like a fun little game if you want, by its fucked up if you don't take responsibility when the real and serious consequences result. Just because you partake in an activity for fun, doesn't mean you shouldn't take responsibility for the consequences of that activity

What's fucked up is parenthood being forced on someone.

You can always give your child to an adoption system. What's REALLY fucked up is denying someone's chance to live a human life because you're an irresponsible cowardly fucktard (regardless of gender)

An un-sentient clump of cells is not "someone"


These types of posts make me wanna vomit. 

Those ''clump of cells'' are a developing human being.  Their sentiment is being developed inside the womb (if it's lucky enough not to be killed by the likes of you)

Who cares if it has the same genome as a human, it doesn have a brain, so it does not experience anything. It's not developed into a person yet, so it shouldn't get treated as a person.

I love how you seem to think that you're the most moral person, yet in a different thread, you voiced your approval of people beating up gays. So doing that to a real person with a real consiousness is ok to you, but not aborting an un-sentient fetus?



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