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spurgeonryan said:
No, it is fine. That was April, things were still picking up then. Just wait for the much larger May numbers.


The entire market seems to be that way.

In April we only had 3 3D movies:

Jurassic Park 3D

Storm Surfers 3D

Tai Chi Hero 3D

All of them live action.

 

But in May we got like 5 or so 3D Movies.

In October we got 4 or 5 3D movies in the first week, plus the other 3D Movies of October on different weeks. Also when we get a lot of good games like Batman Arkham Origins 1 (PS3/360/Wii U) & 2 (3DS & Vita) & Pokémon X & Y (3DS) & who knows what other video games in October.

It all seems to be all marketing to work around people's budget. This seems to ensure that us consumers will have money when they release the big guns LOL.



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Soundwave said:
Selling sub-130k after an $80 price drop, 3 major Mario games, Zelda: OoT 3D, Kid Icarus, Kingdom Hearts, Epic Mickey, Lego City, Resident Evil (x2), Monster Hunter Tri, Luigi's Mansion 2, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario, etc. etc. not to mention a new model revision.

Is problematic. It's a 2 year old platform, it should be a beast in its prime right now, instead its winded behind the 7 year old XBox 360 that's headed for the retirement home.

That's a big problem.



I disagree. Just because some other platforms have "peaked" at the two-year-old mark and then stayed there for a year or two before winding back down, does not mean that every subsequent platform has to follow the same pattern. The 3DS started slow, we can all admit that, and yes it's been trailing in NA and EU in comparison to Japan, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way. 3DS has notably picked up in the past few months with some more solid-to-great-selling releases in Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion, and Lego City. This month it has Donkey Kong, next month Animal Crossing, later this summer another Mario RPG, and then the BIG GUNS come out this holiday. If you think 3DS won't be holding it's own against all the BIG BOYS this coming holiday when it has the FIRST 3D Pokemon games in X/Y AND a 2D Zelda game coming in October/November, you're kidding yourself. Contrary to popular opinion, Pokemon, moreso than Mario, is the system seller for Nintendo's handhelds. 

Wii U is a different story. They've lost a lot of ground in the console market since the peak years of the Wii absolutely. But I still firmly believe with the right games the Wii U can be a moderate success for Nintendo. When I say "moderate," I mean N64 level sales or greater. At this point, people need to just realize and accept that Nintendo is NOT directly competing with Microsoft and Sony. The last time they did was the Gamecube, their lowest-selling home console. With the Wii they made a deliberate change in direction to court a different market. It worked. Now, however, that market has moved on to tablets and other things. Nintendo now has to focus on "gamers" again...and despite techies and the "hardcorez" saying that nobody is interested in Nintendo's style of software, it's simply not true. Give the Wii U this next holiday before we make any more "Doomed" threads. Let 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Pikmin 3, Wind Waker HD, Retro's Game, TW101, and the rest have a chance to change the momentum. I truly believe they will. 



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nintendo needs to do something with the wiiu get more games and price drop



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You know you could say Sony lost NA too.

NA is pretty much Xbox territory at this point.



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spurgeonryan said:
Kaizar said:
RolStoppable said:

Concern troll is the more appropriate term.

 

There are 68 3D movies this year VS. 45 3D movies last year.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=154457

How could you say that Nintendo is out of touch for doing stereoscopic 3D.

3D TVs always sell more then HD TVs during same point of life spam.

 

How could you say anything bad about 2011 when the only thing they did was stereoscopic 3D which gave them such exclusives as Resident Evil Mercenaries & Resident Evil Revelations & 3rd Resident Evil 3DS & Kingdom Hearts 3D & Dragonball 3DS & Batman 3DS & Persona 3DS & Ninja Gaiden 3DS & Zone of the Enders 3DS & so on & so fort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_3DS_games

 

You saw E3 2010 & 2011 for 3DS.

And you saw E3 2011 & 2012 for PS Vita.

How could you say Nintendo has lost a lot of goodwill on behalf of consumers since 2011.

 

And just how do you think the PS4 & 720 is going to do after their first month in each major country?

If you think the sales of the PS4 & 720 is going to be any better, then you might be disappointed.

 

The ability to play the entire Home Console games on the controller will make it sale first amongst consumers who don't live by themselves.

But if you want to wait til E3 2K13 to compare the 3 Home Consoles to each other, then go ahead. And see who has the better library shown for their own Home Consoles during E3 2013. In fact I advise you to watch E3 2013 for all 3 Home Consoles and compare them, but until then you can't really pass judgement like the other 2 are going to do any better sI their Home Consoles. If all the PS4 & 720 can do is just more better graphics then it's them who have lost touch with consumers.

@ Rol

 

Nice term!

 

At Kaizar

I assure you, People are not as excited about 3D as you are. While I do enjoy it from time to time on the 3DS and even in the theaters, I am never going to the theaters trying to see it in 3D. It usually only happens because that is what is playing at the time. Or the last showing. I hate to not do what I set out to do, so we see it. Usually I pay for the 2D price and just use left over glasses in my glove box or dig in the recycle box.

It is a nice feature, but should not be the big selling point. Just like the Rumble pack was only a small selling point for the N64 for a while.


But the majority of Americans do love 3D. And almost eveyone in foreign countries love 3D.

Just because 10% to 20% of Americans make their voices heard the loudest, doesn't mean they are the majority. They are just louder then 80% to 90% of Americans are.

Sales of 3D TVs vs. sales of HD TVs during same point in life spam speak for themselves.

Sales of 3D 3DS vs. sales of people thinking the PS Vita does HD speaks for itself.

Sales of 3D movies during the same year as 2D movies speak for themselves, since the ratio is against them, but still get such great sales despite the alarming ratio against 3D movies during the same year amongst 2D Movies.

To see things as solid as they feel means more to the majority of consumers in the world then 10% of people in society realize.

HD had never meant anything to consumers. But 3D has meant a lot, as the market shows us each and every time with TVs & Movies & video game systems.

Sales speak for themselves, and no one has ever cared about HD, at least not to more then up to 10% of consumers.

Star Trek Into Darkness is my example of 3D movies, if you want to know what people see in 3D.

Less & less movies are made in 2D and more & more movies are release in 3D. The 3DS gets all the 3rd Party support and also all the 1st Party support. The only thing HD has got is Resident Evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13, I would rather play such new games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations.



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Otakumegane said:
You know you could say Sony lost NA too.

NA is pretty much Xbox territory at this point.


That doesn't explain Nintendo's 3D system doing so good in NA.

It seems that America belongs to Mcrosoft & Nintendo, while Euroasia belongs to Sony & Nintendo and Japan just belongs to Nintendo, while Australia just seems to belong to Sony & Nintendo.

But I'm looking at the present.



Soundwave said:

 

Even the 3DS still is not selling very well here (sub 130k this year, perhaps down again year over year) even with Luigi's Mansion 2 and other solid releases and a much deeper library overall.

Wii U is notably a disaster.

Nintendo has lost the support of the biggest Western publisher in EA. Not even the N64 or GameCube did that.

They have really no big Western studio IPs, they have Retro/Next Level/Monster Games, but basically all these studios are allowed to work on are Japanese Nintendo I.P. that the main EAD group is too busy to work on themselves.

Does the fact that Nintendo really has invested nothing into Western IPs alienated them from the Western market after the Wii Sports/Fit/Brain Training crazes wore off?

Even in the 90s and early 2000s we'd see things like Killer Instinct, GoldenEye, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron I-III, NBA Courtside, Banjo-Kazooie, Eternal Darkness, Excitebike 64, etc. from the Western studios.

Can Nintendo continue as a major player in the Western market just relying on Japanese IP?

So many things wrong with what you're saying.

1. 3DS is up YoY in North America by roughly 35% so far. It's selling fine here, and with games like Animal Crossing and Pokemon, and maybe a decent 3DS XL colour (Europe and Japan get better colours), 3DS sales could be as much as 50% higher in 2013 in North America as they were last year.

2. Many Analysts expect 8th gen systems to start really slow since this gen lasted longer then normal. Wii U sales will pick up with software releases.

3. Activision is the largest NA publisher, and Nintendo has lots of support from Activision. As for EA, no one likes EA.

4. There is a strong rumor that Retro Studios is developing their own "Western" IP.

5. Have the Wii Fit/Sports craze's wore off? Last Wii Fit and Wii Sports game released sold well, and there is nothing available for Wii U. I bet you once the next main Wii line game releases for Wii U, sales will explode again.

6. Shadow of the Eternals (aka Eternal Darkness 2) is a Wii U/PC exclusive, developed by a Western Studio. As for Rare...lol Rare....none of their exclusives ever sold that well, and DKC by Retro Studios was just as successful as older Rare games.

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So, since basically everything you said is wrong or debatable, why would Nintendo be in trouble? Wii U might be having a slow start, but Wii U also set a record for the longest video game drought (4 months). Wii U sales will pick up with software, and even if it doesn't do as well as Wii U, it wil do much much better then N64/GCN/SNES/NES.



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spurgeonryan said:
coolguy said:
nintendo needs to do something with the wiiu get more games and price drop


I think allowing discounts here and there at retailers would be better than an actual official price cut. More games for sure.

 

@ Kaizar

But you never know what you are getting with 3D at the movies. Usually it is a very subtle effect and is not even worth the extra 2 dollars. I have only seen maybe 3 movies ever, that were worth seeing in 3D. Same with the 3DS.


I always go see the IMAX version when there is one for the 3D movie.

The Great Gatsby looks good on smaller size theater screen because there was no IMAX size to format the 3D effect for.

Star Trek 2 3D will look good on any size theater screen.

Plus the 3D movies shown in theaters have their 3D images reformatted before release on 60 fps DVDs & streaming (VuDu, and others coming soon like Hulu Plus).

 

I do blame lazy formatters for only formatting the 2 images for the IMAX size screen for the theaters, but hopefully they will start formatting a 200+ inch size and a 500+ inch size as well for when there is a IMAX size they are formatting for.

The 3DS depends on individual game, plus you need the depth slider all the way up, and sometimes turn it slightly down if the 3D gets reduce when you put the depth slider all the way up, which happens to me on certain firmwares.

The newer the 3DS game is, the better the 3D effect is (i.e. February 2012 & November 2012 & March 2013 & let's wait til October 2013 to see how much greater it becomes).

So the 3D effect in the 3DS depends on the game, which gets better with newer games, as November 2012 & up is really showing us.



Michael-5 said:

So many things wrong with what you're saying.

1. 3DS is up YoY in North America by roughly 35% so far. It's selling fine here, and with games like Animal Crossing and Pokemon, and maybe a decent 3DS XL colour (Europe and Japan get better colours), 3DS sales could be as much as 50% higher in 2013 in North America as they were last year.

So, since basically everything you said is wrong or debatable, why would Nintendo be in trouble? Wii U might be having a slow start, but Wii U also set a record for the longest video game drought (4 months). Wii U sales will pick up with software, and even if it doesn't do as well as Wii U, it wil do much much better then N64/GCN/SNES/NES.

Where exactly are you getting that figure?  The 3DS was down in January and February, and only up slightly in March.  Don't think we have gotten concrete April numbers, but at best it is up a few percent.  Most likely it is down.  Even the overtracked VGC numbers show that it is down YoY.  Now granted this is all US sales, but I don't think it is mathematically possible to be down in the US and up 35% in North America.

Shipments in the first quarter of the year were also down 44% YoY.

Setting records for droughts isn't exactly promising for the future of the platform.  That's the same thing that killed the Wii, and that system had the advantage of not needing HD development.  The NES did 34 million in the Americas and you think the Wii U will do "much better"?



Kaizar said:
spurgeonryan said:
Kaizar said:
RolStoppable said:

Concern troll is the more appropriate term.

 

There are 68 3D movies this year VS. 45 3D movies last year.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=154457

How could you say that Nintendo is out of touch for doing stereoscopic 3D.

3D TVs always sell more then HD TVs during same point of life spam.

 

How could you say anything bad about 2011 when the only thing they did was stereoscopic 3D which gave them such exclusives as Resident Evil Mercenaries & Resident Evil Revelations & 3rd Resident Evil 3DS & Kingdom Hearts 3D & Dragonball 3DS & Batman 3DS & Persona 3DS & Ninja Gaiden 3DS & Zone of the Enders 3DS & so on & so fort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_3DS_games

 

You saw E3 2010 & 2011 for 3DS.

And you saw E3 2011 & 2012 for PS Vita.

How could you say Nintendo has lost a lot of goodwill on behalf of consumers since 2011.

 

And just how do you think the PS4 & 720 is going to do after their first month in each major country?

If you think the sales of the PS4 & 720 is going to be any better, then you might be disappointed.

 

The ability to play the entire Home Console games on the controller will make it sale first amongst consumers who don't live by themselves.

But if you want to wait til E3 2K13 to compare the 3 Home Consoles to each other, then go ahead. And see who has the better library shown for their own Home Consoles during E3 2013. In fact I advise you to watch E3 2013 for all 3 Home Consoles and compare them, but until then you can't really pass judgement like the other 2 are going to do any better sI their Home Consoles. If all the PS4 & 720 can do is just more better graphics then it's them who have lost touch with consumers.

@ Rol

 

Nice term!

 

At Kaizar

I assure you, People are not as excited about 3D as you are. While I do enjoy it from time to time on the 3DS and even in the theaters, I am never going to the theaters trying to see it in 3D. It usually only happens because that is what is playing at the time. Or the last showing. I hate to not do what I set out to do, so we see it. Usually I pay for the 2D price and just use left over glasses in my glove box or dig in the recycle box.

It is a nice feature, but should not be the big selling point. Just like the Rumble pack was only a small selling point for the N64 for a while.


But the majority of Americans do love 3D. And almost eveyone in foreign countries love 3D.

Just because 10% to 20% of Americans make their voices heard the loudest, doesn't mean they are the majority. They are just louder then 80% to 90% of Americans are.

Sales of 3D TVs vs. sales of HD TVs during same point in life spam speak for themselves.

Sales of 3D 3DS vs. sales of people thinking the PS Vita does HD speaks for itself.

Sales of 3D movies during the same year as 2D movies speak for themselves, since the ratio is against them, but still get such great sales despite the alarming ratio against 3D movies during the same year amongst 2D Movies.

To see things as solid as they feel means more to the majority of consumers in the world then 10% of people in society realize.

HD had never meant anything to consumers. But 3D has meant a lot, as the market shows us each and every time with TVs & Movies & video game systems. 

Sales speak for themselves, and no one has ever cared about HD, at least not to more then up to 10% of consumers.

Star Trek Into Darkness is my example of 3D movies, if you want to know what people see in 3D.

Less & less movies are made in 2D and more & more movies are release in 3D. The 3DS gets all the 3rd Party support and also all the 1st Party support. The only thing HD has got is Resident Evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13, I would rather play such new games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations.

There are so many things wrong with ur post. Where r u getting the 80-90% from? Alot of people dont like 3D for a few reasons 1. It gives them headaches, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision 2. They cant justify the extra price of movie tickets 3. Majority of movies/games dont do anything meaninful for 3D to actually add to the experience.

Also do u have any proof 3D TVs sell at a faster pace than HDTVs?

Ur claim about 3DS vs Vita is rediculous, 3DS sells alot better because its game library and price, not because people like 3D over HD



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