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UnknownFact said:
PS3 will have more sales than X360 by the end of this generation, however X360 won. Clearly. By far.

Wii too, but, their win was not as relevant as X360's

Depends on how you define win, and on that PS and Xbox fans will never agree.

Is it profit?

Is it LT sales?

Is it number and quality of exclusive games?

Is it change in market share compared to last generation?

On the basis of all the factors that could make up a definition of win, I call it an honourable draw (for 2nd place). But it's truly only cricket fans who can understand the concept of a draw of this nature. So if you don't know cricket then you lack the cognitive capacity to fully appreciate the this sort of draw. Football (Soccer) fans can gain an incling of this concept, but not a deep appreciation of the nuance and subtelty of the draw.

I don't know how you can say Wii's win wasn't as relevant, therefore 360 is the true winner. Nintendo was DEAD as far as home consoles were concerned, their home console obituary was almost written in stone. But they are on the verge of becoming the only console maker other than Sony to sell over 100 million home console units in a single generation. Not relevant you say?



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think-man said:
Nsanity said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Console sales are clear proof of determining the most successful system of the generation. Despite a year head start the XBox 360 has failed this generation in terms of console sales. PS3 has outsold the XBox 360 consistently since its launch in 2006 and the PS3s success is well deserved.

Faild? The 360 gained marketshare and has sold more software.


Excuses lol....Embrace it.

Just talking facts bro.



Nsanity said:
think-man said:
Nsanity said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Console sales are clear proof of determining the most successful system of the generation. Despite a year head start the XBox 360 has failed this generation in terms of console sales. PS3 has outsold the XBox 360 consistently since its launch in 2006 and the PS3s success is well deserved.

Faild? The 360 gained marketshare and has sold more software.


Excuses lol....Embrace it.

Just talking facts bro.


Can't deny that :P



binary solo said:
UnknownFact said:
PS3 will have more sales than X360 by the end of this generation, however X360 won. Clearly. By far.

Wii too, but, their win was not as relevant as X360's

Depends on how you define win, and on that PS and Xbox fans will never agree.

Is it profit?

Is it LT sales?

Is it number and quality of exclusive games?

Is it change in market share compared to last generation?

On the basis of all the factors that could make up a definition of win, I call it an honourable draw (for 2nd place). But it's truly only cricket fans who can understand the concept of a draw of this nature. So if you don't know cricket then you lack the cognitive capacity to fully appreciate the this sort of draw. Football (Soccer) fans can gain an incling of this concept, but not a deep appreciation of the nuance and subtelty of the draw.

I don't know how you can say Wii's win wasn't as relevant, therefore 360 is the true winner. Nintendo was DEAD as far as home consoles were concerned, their home console obituary was almost written in stone. But they are on the verge of becoming the only console maker other than Sony to sell over 100 million home console units in a single generation. Not relevant you say?


I personally think that the Wii success wasn't hugely relevant, as it mainly sold as a fad item rather than a home console. Wii -> PS360 felt like Mobile ->3DS+PSV, and was definitely my least favourite Nintendo console. I like the Wii U more, but they didn't keep any of the Wii owners, which is why it is selling worse than the Gamecube. It doesn't look like it will have any lasting impact.

The Microsoft success is much more relevant, as they have a shot at retaining the huge gains made this generation, but they are only two consoles in so it is harder to judge.

As for Sony, they have the best track record for retaining their customers. Their previous console sells until the announcement of the successor of the current console as people in developing countries are slower to shift up the generations. So any work they put into supporting the console has a big effect over time. If the PS3 only has half the legs of the PS2, it will beat out the Wii, and given the gains and continued support it probably has.



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chris0409 said:
I don't wanna say which console is better. Yes, PS3 has its exclusives, its free online, Plus and so and so on, but the only reason why it's taking the lead is Japan.


Do you not see the irony in your post?   The flip side can also be said. That X360 only became relevant and only had a lead in the first place because of the US. What difference does it make where the sale was made?  It all relates to ww sales...anyways, carry on with your flawed logic..



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pezus said:
BHR-3 said:

thats sucks

the ps3 vs 360 sales war is what really brought me to this site

back then it was about playing defense stickin up for my console of choice it was what made me log in and post create threads and debate now with it about to end its more of a sad time like watching you favorite tv series end

that era in gaming will probably never be reproduced again nintendo being on top and sony and msf fans being very hostile towards each other

it also wont be the same on here that era (07-09) brought out alot of unique posters (some that will never be heard from again) and sales debate threads

even though ps3 wins in most sales as many knew back in 07, 360 really won the war it took over NA and parts of EU as well as grown globally

The war is ongoing and will continue this November . I don't see how 360 taking over NA and parts of EU makes it win the war though. Xbox was already disproportionally strong in NA 

what he said



lol, I opened VGchartz and saw this adjustment. I was like wtf did I miss something.

At the end I still think x360 is the winner because they dominate the USA and the UK.
The ps3 lost a lot of terrain compared with his predecessor.



pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
WebMasterFlex said:

I live in France, everybody buys PS3 for games. Nobody cares about the bluray thing. And that's because of the bluray that the PS3 was expensive. So the guy who say "but but but because of the blu-ray", because of the bluray the machine was too expensive at first. If PS3 was less expensive it would be higher...

You realize that PS3 is the same price as an X-Box 360 right now right? If it had no blu-ray, a lot of PS3 exclusive games (like MGS4) would not have stayed exclusive because then they would have designed the game for a smaller storage medium, thus making it possible to play on 360.

Plus, I don't think the price of PS3 would be any different with or without blu-ray. It's only cutting into Sony's profits.

You can't ignore the fact that many early PS3's were bought as cheap blu-ray players. If they were bought solely for games, then PS3's tie ratio (software sold per hardware sold) would be just as high as 360's, but it's not. In fact PS3's tie ratio is lower then XB's, PS2's, 360's, GCN's, and PS1's, and only just above Wii's (Which laregly sold to a more casual crowd).

Wrong. 

360 sales are way more skewed towards NA and UK which already buy more games per console than other regions where PS3 sells considerably better than 360.

PS3 tie ratio in USA: 11.2

360 tie ratio in USA: 10.7

PS3 actually has a better tie ratio there, but because of the much larger 360 userbase there the average WW tie ratio is higher on 360.

Not only that, but we're talking about a global tie ratio difference of only 1.2 games per console. So the average 360 owner has 10 games (rounded up) and the average PS3 owner has 9 games (rounded up). The difference is largely irrelevant. If PS3 tie ratio was 6 then you could level a claim that lots of PS3 were bought just for the Blu-ray.

And now that we are into digital sales in earnest for full AAA games as well as arcade titles tie ratio nbased only on disc sales has become completely irrelevant as a pissing contest thing. It's only ongoing value is in wondering about the ongoing viability of specialist video game retailers.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Michael-5 said:
WebMasterFlex said:

I live in France, everybody buys PS3 for games. Nobody cares about the bluray thing. And that's because of the bluray that the PS3 was expensive. So the guy who say "but but but because of the blu-ray", because of the bluray the machine was too expensive at first. If PS3 was less expensive it would be higher.

You realize that PS3 is the same price as an X-Box 360 right now right? If it had no blu-ray, a lot of PS3 exclusive games (like MGS4) would not have stayed exclusive because then they would have designed the game for a smaller storage medium, thus making it possible to play on 360.

Plus, I don't think the price of PS3 would be any different with or without blu-ray. It's only cutting into Sony's profits.

What I realize is that when PS3 came out, everybody was shitting on it, the hate was on, 600€, they lost a lot of people at this moment. And this was because of Bluray. If it wasn't came out with a Bluray it would have a different story, less expensive, more sell. So no you won't make me think that the Bluray thing was a bonus. Right now it is. At first not at all sorry.

 



AshKetchum1992 said:

I still can't believe it's finally happening (almost)...
I feel a little nostalgic, I remember when I was 15 years old and I predicted that the PS3 would surpass the Xbox 360 in 2012
And I still remember how much I hated Xbox 360 fanboys saying the PS3 was dead back in 2007...

I remember when I was 15 and Resident Evil 4 just came out, and Gamecube was ahead of the X-Box (Well VGC wasn;t around, but I heard it was only to loose near the end of the gen, much like 360 is loosing now).

AshKetchum1992 said:
I remember when I was going to buy a PS3 back in 2007 but I did fear that it could be doomed (due to the negative comments of the Xbox fanboys), so I used to visit this site to see the PS3 sales every week. Eventually, I had to spend the money ($600!) in more important things so I got a Wii instead because it was the only one I could afford. 
The come back of the PS3 this gen was pretty impressive but I wonder if Sony will ever recover the losses that the PS3 caused.

LOL, in 2007, I just got a 360, I wanted something "different." Different is what I got, I want to go back to my old Nintendo/Sony combo!



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