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Dr.JimmyRustles on 08 May 2013

I find it very humorous etho that you think FF won't ever be on the WiiU. Please excuse me my sides are aching from laughter.



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NoirSon on 08 May 2013

The main root cause since the SNES period for Nintendo and home consoles have been their hardware choices.

Had the N64 been a CD based system, it would have had a double the developer support it wound up getting.

Had the GC not used the smaller mini disk based medium, then it would have gotten more ports like the Xbox and PS2 shared without developers having to compress, cut our or use multiple disks for things they managed to fit on DVDs that powered the other systems.

The Wii being underpowered and featuring motion controls drove a lot of developers away from even trying it, when they had prepped to move their tools onto the latests development tools and game engines.

The Wii U honestly seems to have just inherited all the same bad will, with the added detriments that Nintendo really doesn't appear to have prepped for it themselves and it isn't as easy to port due to its internal architecture. Developers run into a road block and because the publishers are used to making money without support Nintendo hardware or just getting roasted in comparison, they throw out claims of it being more inferior then it really is.

A lot of self inflicted wounds are the reason, Nintendo is having problems with 3rd party support. They still have few loyal friends but with the handheld market being most profitable in Japan where things are shrinking in general and the Wii U suffering a horrible launch, time will tell how loyal they remain. The idea of Nintendo launching another system within 2 or 3 years is looking more and more probable due to their failures stumbling out of the gate.
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cbarroso09 on 08 May 2013
happydolphin said:
snyps said:
Can someone pls post the sales numbers for all the 3rd party WiiU titles?
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
3 ZombiU WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.20 0.15 0.04 0.04 0.42
4 Monster Hunter Tri WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Capcom 0.07 0.05 0.21 0.01 0.33
5 Lego City Undercover WiiU 2013 Action Nintendo 0.15 0.07 0.00 0.02 0.24
6 Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed WiiU 2012 Action Sega 0.09 0.10 0.00 0.02 0.21
7 Just Dance 4 WiiU 2012 Misc Ubisoft 0.11 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.18
8 Call of Duty: Black Ops II WiiU 2012 Shooter Activision 0.11 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.18
9 Scribblenauts: Unlimited WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.14 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.16
10 Assassin's Creed III WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.07 0.05 0.00 0.01 0.14
11 Batman: Arkham City WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.08 0.04 0.00 0.01 0.14
12 Skylanders Giants WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.08 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.12
13 Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two WiiU 2012 Action Disney Interactive Studios 0.08 0.01 0.00 0.01 0.10
14 ESPN: Sports Connection WiiU 2012 Sports Ubisoft 0.05 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.09
15 Darksiders II WiiU 2012 Action THQ 0.04 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.07
16 FIFA Soccer 13 WiiU 2012 Action Electronic Arts 0.03 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.07
17 Tekken Tag Tournament 2 WiiU 2012 Fighting Namco Bandai Games 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.01 0.06
18 Sing Party WiiU 2012 Misc Nintendo 0.05 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.05
19 Dragon Quest X WiiU 2013 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.00 0.00 0.05 0.00 0.05
20 Mass Effect 3 WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.05
22 Transformers: Prime WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.04
23 WipeOut 3 The Game WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.04
24 James Bond 007: Legends WiiU 2012 Shooter Activision 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
25 Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper WiiU 2012 Action Tecmo Koei 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.03
26 Marvel Avengers: Battle for Earth WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
27 Game Party: Champions WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03
28 Madden NFL 13 WiiU 2012 Sports Electronic Arts 0.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03
29 Ninja Gaiden 3 WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
30 Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013 WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
31 Tank! Tank! Tank! WiiU 2012 Action Namco Bandai Games 0.00 0.00 0.02 0.00 0.02
32 Injustice: Gods Among Us WiiU 2013 Fighting Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.02
33 Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A Criterion Game WiiU 2013 Racing Electronic Arts 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.02
34 The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct WiiU 2013 Misc Activision 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
35 Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 WiiU 2013 Fighting Tecmo Koei 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.01
36 NBA 2K13 WiiU 2012 Action Take-Two Interactive 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
37 The Amazing Spider-Man WiiU 2013 Action Activision 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
38 Romance of the Three Kingdoms XII WiiU 2012 Strategy Tecmo Koei 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.01

But but, Wii U has no games.



badgenome on 08 May 2013
Dr.JimmyRustles said:

@Euphoria

Wish I could my good man, my only evidence is this.

"Metal Gear Solid" could refer to MGS3D, and Final Fantasy III has already been remade once. Are they gonna remake it again?



Dr.JimmyRustles on 08 May 2013

@Badge That MGS game is too old, and FF3 can either be a remake of FFVI called 3 in America on the SNES, or FFXIII-3 Lightning returns.



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KungKras on 08 May 2013

This thread needs more Rol to bring some sense to it.



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KHlover on 08 May 2013
cbarroso09 said:
happydolphin said:
snyps said:
Can someone pls post the sales numbers for all the 3rd party WiiU titles?
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
3 ZombiU WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.20 0.15 0.04 0.04 0.42
4 Monster Hunter Tri WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Capcom 0.07 0.05 0.21 0.01 0.33
5 Lego City Undercover WiiU 2013 Action Nintendo 0.15 0.07 0.00 0.02 0.24
6 Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed WiiU 2012 Action Sega 0.09 0.10 0.00 0.02 0.21
7 Just Dance 4 WiiU 2012 Misc Ubisoft 0.11 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.18
8 Call of Duty: Black Ops II WiiU 2012 Shooter Activision 0.11 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.18
9 Scribblenauts: Unlimited WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.14 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.16
10 Assassin's Creed III WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.07 0.05 0.00 0.01 0.14
11 Batman: Arkham City WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.08 0.04 0.00 0.01 0.14
12 Skylanders Giants WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.08 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.12
13 Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two WiiU 2012 Action Disney Interactive Studios 0.08 0.01 0.00 0.01 0.10
14 ESPN: Sports Connection WiiU 2012 Sports Ubisoft 0.05 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.09
15 Darksiders II WiiU 2012 Action THQ 0.04 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.07
16 FIFA Soccer 13 WiiU 2012 Action Electronic Arts 0.03 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.07
17 Tekken Tag Tournament 2 WiiU 2012 Fighting Namco Bandai Games 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.01 0.06
18 Sing Party WiiU 2012 Misc Nintendo 0.05 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.05
19 Dragon Quest X WiiU 2013 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.00 0.00 0.05 0.00 0.05
20 Mass Effect 3 WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.05
22 Transformers: Prime WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.04
23 WipeOut 3 The Game WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.04
24 James Bond 007: Legends WiiU 2012 Shooter Activision 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
25 Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper WiiU 2012 Action Tecmo Koei 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.03
26 Marvel Avengers: Battle for Earth WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
27 Game Party: Champions WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03
28 Madden NFL 13 WiiU 2012 Sports Electronic Arts 0.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03
29 Ninja Gaiden 3 WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
30 Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013 WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
31 Tank! Tank! Tank! WiiU 2012 Action Namco Bandai Games 0.00 0.00 0.02 0.00 0.02
32 Injustice: Gods Among Us WiiU 2013 Fighting Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.02
33 Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A Criterion Game WiiU 2013 Racing Electronic Arts 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.02
34 The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct WiiU 2013 Misc Activision 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
35 Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 WiiU 2013 Fighting Tecmo Koei 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.01
36 NBA 2K13 WiiU 2012 Action Take-Two Interactive 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
37 The Amazing Spider-Man WiiU 2013 Action Activision 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
38 Romance of the Three Kingdoms XII WiiU 2012 Strategy Tecmo Koei 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.01

But but, Wii U has no games.

Bolded for all the games I'm 100% sure that they are late ports. With some games I wasn't 100% sure, so I didn't bold these games.



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NoirSon on 08 May 2013
cbarroso09 said:
happydolphin said:
snyps said:
Can someone pls post the sales numbers for all the 3rd party WiiU titles?
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
3 ZombiU WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.20 0.15 0.04 0.04 0.42
4 Monster Hunter Tri WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Capcom 0.07 0.05 0.21 0.01 0.33
5 Lego City Undercover WiiU 2013 Action Nintendo 0.15 0.07 0.00 0.02 0.24
6 Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed WiiU 2012 Action Sega 0.09 0.10 0.00 0.02 0.21
7 Just Dance 4 WiiU 2012 Misc Ubisoft 0.11 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.18
8 Call of Duty: Black Ops II WiiU 2012 Shooter Activision 0.11 0.05 0.00 0.02 0.18
9 Scribblenauts: Unlimited WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.14 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.16
10 Assassin's Creed III WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.07 0.05 0.00 0.01 0.14
11 Batman: Arkham City WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.08 0.04 0.00 0.01 0.14
12 Skylanders Giants WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.08 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.12
13 Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two WiiU 2012 Action Disney Interactive Studios 0.08 0.01 0.00 0.01 0.10
14 ESPN: Sports Connection WiiU 2012 Sports Ubisoft 0.05 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.09
15 Darksiders II WiiU 2012 Action THQ 0.04 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.07
16 FIFA Soccer 13 WiiU 2012 Action Electronic Arts 0.03 0.03 0.00 0.01 0.07
17 Tekken Tag Tournament 2 WiiU 2012 Fighting Namco Bandai Games 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.01 0.06
18 Sing Party WiiU 2012 Misc Nintendo 0.05 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.05
19 Dragon Quest X WiiU 2013 Role-Playing Square Enix 0.00 0.00 0.05 0.00 0.05
20 Mass Effect 3 WiiU 2012 Role-Playing Electronic Arts 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.05
22 Transformers: Prime WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.03 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.04
23 WipeOut 3 The Game WiiU 2012 Action Activision 0.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.04
24 James Bond 007: Legends WiiU 2012 Shooter Activision 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
25 Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper WiiU 2012 Action Tecmo Koei 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.03
26 Marvel Avengers: Battle for Earth WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
27 Game Party: Champions WiiU 2012 Action Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03
28 Madden NFL 13 WiiU 2012 Sports Electronic Arts 0.03 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.03
29 Ninja Gaiden 3 WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.02 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
30 Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013 WiiU 2012 Action Ubisoft 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.03
31 Tank! Tank! Tank! WiiU 2012 Action Namco Bandai Games 0.00 0.00 0.02 0.00 0.02
32 Injustice: Gods Among Us WiiU 2013 Fighting Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 0.02 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.02
33 Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A Criterion Game WiiU 2013 Racing Electronic Arts 0.01 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.02
34 The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct WiiU 2013 Misc Activision 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
35 Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 WiiU 2013 Fighting Tecmo Koei 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.01
36 NBA 2K13 WiiU 2012 Action Take-Two Interactive 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
37 The Amazing Spider-Man WiiU 2013 Action Activision 0.01 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01
38 Romance of the Three Kingdoms XII WiiU 2012 Strategy Tecmo Koei 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.01

But but, Wii U has no games.


Thing is you can count the number of games that are not ports but original Wii U software with one hand from this list. That is the main problem along with Nintendo not really having enough key software to pull their own fanbase over to the system.



KHlover on 08 May 2013
badgenome said:
Dr.JimmyRustles said:

@Euphoria

Wish I could my good man, my only evidence is this.

"Metal Gear Solid" could refer to MGS3D, and Final Fantasy III has already been remade once. Are they gonna remake it again?

MGS3D had been out for a looooooooooooong time at this point, while the other games had either been released VERY shortly before or not even announced at the time. I'm fairly certain we can rule out the possibility of MGS3D.



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Euphoria14 on 08 May 2013
Dr.JimmyRustles said:

@Euphoria

Wish I could my good man, my only evidence is this.


I know that majority of that list came true, but that is Final Fantasy III. Didn't that already release on 3DS?

Other than that, I guess we time will tell. Would be good for them to get a game like MGS.



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