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Zero999 on 09 May 2013
goopy20 said:
Zero999 said:
Daisuke72 said:
Zero999 said:
Daisuke72 said:

The Wii U is barely more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3. Stop lying to yourself, the PS4 is around 4 to 5 times as powerful as the Wii U. Use Google, these are cold hard facts. The Wii U has 1GB of slow RAM for games, while the PS4 has 6.5 ultra fast GB of RAM, with a much more powerful GPU.

You don't honestly believe the Wii U is powerful? If it was then devs wouldn't laugh at it when asked would they port their engines to it. Unreal engine 4 games compared to UE3 games have a very noticeable difference. Killzone Shadowfall, a launch game, blows anything the Wii U will ever be capable of out of the water. When next gen games are pushing these graphics to new heights, such as BF4, why would people settle for the Wii U? Which isn't capable of playing these games and caters to a young/non-hardcore audience with terrible ports and 3rd part support?

Point is. Wii U is weaksauce compared to Nextbox and PS4. It's going to come in dead last this gen because the gimmick isn't a console seller, and Nintendo only moves consoles off of gimmicks. 

you again? and i see you still haven't done yout math homework, tsk tsk. WII U = 3-4x xbox 360. ps4 would need 12-20x xbox 360 to be 4-5x wii u and that would still be a difference 4 times smaller than wii-ps360.

ps4, if much, is 2.5x wii u. next box should be between 1.5-2x wii u. small difference.


Where's the source from the Wii U = 3x4 Xbox 360's. Cause from what I read the GPU is only capable of only 380 flops lol no way in hell something with that little amount of pure flops is around 3x4 a XBox 360. No trick in the book can solve that. 

the source is comon sense considering what we know about wii u specs. your source on the other hand is nonexistant since nobody discovered wii u's gpu full details. but considering it's a modern customized gpgpu, one doesn't need to be a genius to deduce it's 3-4x the 9 year old xbox360.

Dude why do you keep hoping that there is some secret sauce in the Wii U that makes it 4 times more powerful then current gen consoles? It's a bit useless to speculate about the processing power when the console is already out and developers who worked on it literally say it's on par with the ps3/ 360. Hell, some even complained how slow it is compared to this gen, like the guys who are making Metro, and the co-founder of Epic had to laugh when a reporter asked if Unreal4 would come to the Wii U.  

If it really was 4 times more powerful then current gen consoles, then we should have seen one game that looks better then what we are seeing on Xbox/ps3. Also, all the ports would be in 1080p, simply because a current gen port would leave a lot of headroom to run it in a higher resolution if what your saying is true. Keep in mind that streaming games to the tablet controller also takes up a chunk of the processing power.

where's the secret? as far as i know if everything on the console is years ahead than previous consoles, isn't it normal to expect it to be x times more powerfull? you are the one(s) who keep dreaming wii u will be underpowered, it looks like a self affirmation to prove your console is better. i'm so glad none of you have curé syndrome.



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Zero999 on 09 May 2013
goopy20 said:
Zero999 said:
goopy20 said:

No he keeps defending the Wii hardware by saying things like: Graphics have stagnated and only graphic whores will see a difference when they would compare the Wii U and next console versions side by side, or Dice sucks because they can't get Frostbite 3 running on the Wii U. That just isn't the case. If any game, developed on the Unreal 4 engine for example, even gets ported then it would be running on the UET3 engine and basically look like a different game. Since nobody cares for scaled down ports, developers probably won't bother. A big installbase really won't change that when it's a totally different audience compared to the core gaming focussed consoles, just look at the Wii sales for MW. 

Doesn't mean the Wii U is totally crap, it just means it's crap for core gamers who want to play games that show a revolution in graphics compared to this gen. It also doesn't mean developers are going to ignore the Wii U. Off course they will support it, it just will be with different types of games. What do you think would make more sense for Ubisoft: Launch a watered down Assasins Creed 6 that nobody cares about or sell millions by doing a HD Just Dance 4?

graphics already achieved the "amazing" level a while ago. wii u is quite more powerfull than ps360. ps4/next box aren't much more powerfull than wii u. so no big difference in graphics, it's as simple as that.

Maybe there isn't much room for improvement when it comes to franchises like 3D Mario and Mario Karts. But that doesn't mean things can't get any better in general though. There are plenty of games that would never run on current gen consoles, especially large scale online games. Sony tried this gen with games like MAG, Dust 512, Star Hawk but they all looked like SNES games compared to Sony's Planet Side 2, which really needs 8 gigs of ram just to run. NExt gen, online gaming will no doubt be taken to a new level with thousands of players online at once, huge open levels and incredible graphics at the same time.  

things can get better, but what exists already reached a level where there isn't much difference from what's better. it also takes much more power to increase quality just a little.



FrancisNobleman on 09 May 2013
Zero999 said:
goopy20 said:

Dude why do you keep hoping that there is some secret sauce in the Wii U that makes it 4 times more powerful then current gen consoles? It's a bit useless to speculate about the processing power when the console is already out and developers who worked on it literally say it's on par with the ps3/ 360. Hell, some even complained how slow it is compared to this gen, like the guys who are making Metro, and the co-founder of Epic had to laugh when a reporter asked if Unreal4 would come to the Wii U.  

 




They would laugh if asked about a port ot Unreal Engine 3 on the 3DS, despite the console being able to handle it. Epic just despise Nintendo.

The same way a crappy smartphone runs epic citadel (unreal engine 3 tech demo on mobile), the wii u is very much capable of running unreal engine 4 and frostbite 3. Scalability, learn that word.  But nintendo's stance with developers is not helping and when you're a dev and see your AAA game barelly pulling 1 million, and then NIntendo IP selling 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 million... well you're not willing that much to put software on such machine if you're going to be either ignored or crushed by nintendo selling power.

 



Max King of the Wild on 09 May 2013
FrancisNobleman said:
Zero999 said:
goopy20 said:

Dude why do you keep hoping that there is some secret sauce in the Wii U that makes it 4 times more powerful then current gen consoles? It's a bit useless to speculate about the processing power when the console is already out and developers who worked on it literally say it's on par with the ps3/ 360. Hell, some even complained how slow it is compared to this gen, like the guys who are making Metro, and the co-founder of Epic had to laugh when a reporter asked if Unreal4 would come to the Wii U.  

 




They would laugh if asked about a port ot Unreal Engine 3 on the 3DS, despite the console being able to handle it. Epic just despise Nintendo.

The same way a crappy smartphone runs epic citadel (unreal engine 3 tech demo on mobile), the wii u is very much capable of running unreal engine 4 and frostbite 3. Scalability, learn that word.  But nintendo's stance with developers is not helping and when you're a dev and see your AAA game barelly pulling 1 million, and then NIntendo IP selling 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 million... well you're not willing that much to put software on such machine if you're going to be either ignored or crushed by nintendo selling power.

 

Yes, EA, Epic, SE... they all hate Nintendo. Its a huge hate Nintendo concpiracy. It couldnt possibly be Nintendo. These companies who sole purpose in existing is to make money is the ones at fault.



g911turbo on 09 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
FrancisNobleman said:
Zero999 said:
goopy20 said:

Dude why do you keep hoping that there is some secret sauce in the Wii U that makes it 4 times more powerful then current gen consoles? It's a bit useless to speculate about the processing power when the console is already out and developers who worked on it literally say it's on par with the ps3/ 360. Hell, some even complained how slow it is compared to this gen, like the guys who are making Metro, and the co-founder of Epic had to laugh when a reporter asked if Unreal4 would come to the Wii U.  

 




They would laugh if asked about a port ot Unreal Engine 3 on the 3DS, despite the console being able to handle it. Epic just despise Nintendo.

The same way a crappy smartphone runs epic citadel (unreal engine 3 tech demo on mobile), the wii u is very much capable of running unreal engine 4 and frostbite 3. Scalability, learn that word.  But nintendo's stance with developers is not helping and when you're a dev and see your AAA game barelly pulling 1 million, and then NIntendo IP selling 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 million... well you're not willing that much to put software on such machine if you're going to be either ignored or crushed by nintendo selling power.

 

Yes, EA, Epic, SE... they all hate Nintendo. Its a huge hate Nintendo concpiracy. It couldnt possibly be Nintendo. These companies who sole purpose in existing is to make money is the ones at fault.

I don't think he was suggesting it's a conspiracy theory.  I think he's suggesting they avoid Nintendo for some VALID reasons, including NOT making money (as you mention above).  He's saying it IS nintendo...

 

Come on man, read his post again and stop twisting everything.  You're even starting to argue with people taking your side!



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Max King of the Wild on 09 May 2013
g911turbo said:
Max King of the Wild said:
FrancisNobleman said:
Zero999 said:
 



Epic just despise Nintendo.

Yes, EA, Epic, SE... they all hate Nintendo. Its a huge hate Nintendo concpiracy. It couldnt possibly be Nintendo. These companies who sole purpose in existing is to make money is the ones at fault.

I don't think he was suggesting it's a conspiracy theory.  I think he's suggesting they avoid Nintendo for some VALID reasons, including NOT making money (as you mention above).  He's saying it IS nintendo...

 

Come on man, read his post again and stop twisting everything.  You're even starting to argue with people taking your side!

I didn't twist anything. I bolded and clipped the part in case you missed it.



mii-gamer on 09 May 2013

On topic, i think the wii u will outsell the competition this holiday. Lifetime? not sure. But it will be a close race this time around.



Jereel Hunter on 09 May 2013
AbbathTheGrim said:
The throne will be either Micro's or Sony's. That is the feeling I get.


You're really going out on a limb there - sure you want to make such a bold prediction?



g911turbo on 09 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
g911turbo said:
Max King of the Wild said:
FrancisNobleman said:
Zero999 said:
 



Epic just despise Nintendo.

Yes, EA, Epic, SE... they all hate Nintendo. Its a huge hate Nintendo concpiracy. It couldnt possibly be Nintendo. These companies who sole purpose in existing is to make money is the ones at fault.

I don't think he was suggesting it's a conspiracy theory.  I think he's suggesting they avoid Nintendo for some VALID reasons, including NOT making money (as you mention above).  He's saying it IS nintendo...

 

Come on man, read his post again and stop twisting everything.  You're even starting to argue with people taking your side!

I didn't twist anything. I bolded and clipped the part in case you missed it.

Despise is a strong word I agree, but he meant they don't like Nintendo because they can't make money on their system... not because of a conspiracy theory (which you suggested) or just because it's nintendo.  He then goes on to say "Nintendo's stance with developers is not helping", blaming Nintendo.  Yet you suggest he was trying to say it couldn't possibly be Nintendo's fault. 

 

So you basically read the first sentence and then replied.  Read the rest, he's on your side.  I swear half of you would stop bickering if your reading coprehension was half as good as your ability to write.



g911turbo on 09 May 2013
mii-gamer said:
On topic, i think the wii u will outsell the competition this holiday. Lifetime? not sure. But it will be a close race this time around.


I think the economy is the wild card here.  We hit a slump in 2009 and we're still in recovery.  If sony can price the PS4 at $400 for launch (which actually seems a little UNLIKELY given everything in it), they might hit the ground running.  I think snowdog was mentioning supply constraints.  There might be some at 28nm, no doubt, but probably not as bad as if they were at 20nm or below.

I plan to buy a bunch and resell them to rabid fans.