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Stefan.De.Machtige on 04 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
g911turbo said:
I think many of you (on both sides of the argument) are failing to realize that many people will buy MORE THAN ONE system. Video game consoles aren't exactly the most expensive hobby to get into. If PS4 does really well, it will probably drag the Wii U sales UP and vice versa.

I will eventually own a Wii U because I love my Nintendo games. I will also most likely get the PS4 and/or Xbox 720 for many of the 3rd party games and some exclusives.

Right now the new system costs too much with too little game for me to justify the purchase. With more game and/or a price cut, I'll be all over the Wii U. Same story with the PS4 etc. They are going to have to have a compelling launch line up to get me to bite at $400+ (it might be more).

milticonsole owners are minority.

Even a decreasing minority with the ongoing economical situation.



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Max King of the Wild on 04 May 2013
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Max King of the Wild said:
g911turbo said:
I think many of you (on both sides of the argument) are failing to realize that many people will buy MORE THAN ONE system. Video game consoles aren't exactly the most expensive hobby to get into. If PS4 does really well, it will probably drag the Wii U sales UP and vice versa.

I will eventually own a Wii U because I love my Nintendo games. I will also most likely get the PS4 and/or Xbox 720 for many of the 3rd party games and some exclusives.

Right now the new system costs too much with too little game for me to justify the purchase. With more game and/or a price cut, I'll be all over the Wii U. Same story with the PS4 etc. They are going to have to have a compelling launch line up to get me to bite at $400+ (it might be more).

milticonsole owners are minority.

Even a decreasing minority with the ongoing economical situation.

That and I also think there will be even less 3rd party exclusives this generation just like there were less last gen from the gen before. Which to me means less reason to buy more than one console.



g911turbo on 04 May 2013
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Max King of the Wild said:
g911turbo said:
I think many of you (on both sides of the argument) are failing to realize that many people will buy MORE THAN ONE system. Video game consoles aren't exactly the most expensive hobby to get into. If PS4 does really well, it will probably drag the Wii U sales UP and vice versa.

I will eventually own a Wii U because I love my Nintendo games. I will also most likely get the PS4 and/or Xbox 720 for many of the 3rd party games and some exclusives.

Right now the new system costs too much with too little game for me to justify the purchase. With more game and/or a price cut, I'll be all over the Wii U. Same story with the PS4 etc. They are going to have to have a compelling launch line up to get me to bite at $400+ (it might be more).

milticonsole owners are minority.

Even a decreasing minority with the ongoing economical situation.

You have some numbers to support that?

I disagree, as I am talking about over the course of 4-5 years.  Not day 1 or even 1 year.  Eventually, many people own more than one cost permitting.  I know multiple housholds that have more than 1 xbox 360 alone!

Also, I know MANY households that own a Wii + PS3 or Xbox 360. 



Stefan.De.Machtige on 04 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Max King of the Wild said:
g911turbo said:
I think many of you (on both sides of the argument) are failing to realize that many people will buy MORE THAN ONE system. Video game consoles aren't exactly the most expensive hobby to get into. If PS4 does really well, it will probably drag the Wii U sales UP and vice versa.

I will eventually own a Wii U because I love my Nintendo games. I will also most likely get the PS4 and/or Xbox 720 for many of the 3rd party games and some exclusives.

Right now the new system costs too much with too little game for me to justify the purchase. With more game and/or a price cut, I'll be all over the Wii U. Same story with the PS4 etc. They are going to have to have a compelling launch line up to get me to bite at $400+ (it might be more).

milticonsole owners are minority.

Even a decreasing minority with the ongoing economical situation.

That and I also think there will be even less 3rd party exclusives this generation just like there were less last gen from the gen before. Which to me means less reason to buy more than one console.

Yes, that seem true too. Even Nintendo is picking up good 3rd party support for the later half of this year.



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

Lawlight on 04 May 2013
snowdog said:
Lawlight said:
snowdog said:
The PS4 might outsell the 720 if the always online and no used games rumours end up being true but it won't outsell the Wii U.

I'm expecting the PS4 and 720 to retail for $500 and the Wii U to have a $50 price cut in November, which would leave the Wii U Basic SKU being half the price.

You've also got to remember we're in the middle of the worst worldwide recession we've seen in donkeys years and that Nintendo have the strongestpstable of system selling IPs in the business.

1st Wii U
2nd PS4
3rd 720

That year's head start is going to make all the difference. If the Wii hadn't been a ridiculous sales phenomenon the 360 would have won last gen due to its head start.


Nintendo IPs aren't what they used to be. Nintendogs? NSMB? Brain Age? Sales are not what they used to be when the casuals were on board.

The sales of Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS says different. I'm expecting Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 to be released for the Wii U before the end of the year, we've also got Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101 and Game & Wario being released during these next few months.

NSMB U sales have been held back because (imo) it's too similar to the previous versions and released too close to the other versions.

We've also got the possibility of Wii Sports U being released, probably with online play.

Then you've got to take into account that the PS4 and 720, due to being made on a 28nm process, are going to be supply constrained for a while so even if customers are happy with forking out the cash for a more expensive console they might not be able to pick one up for a while...and if that wasn't enough you've also got to take into account that customers buying a 720 will also have the added expense of paying for Live Gold subscriptions on top of the price of the console.


Mario Kart 7 didn't sell as much as Mario Kart Wii. And poor excuse for NSMBU - every Mario game is too similar to previous versions and released too close to the other versions. Will Animal Crossing sell as much as the previous iteration?

WiiU will never sell as much as the Wii did. PS3 will top this gen just like the PS2 and PS before it and the PS4 will do the same.



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snowdog on 04 May 2013
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
Lawlight said:
snowdog said:
The PS4 might outsell the 720 if the always online and no used games rumours end up being true but it won't outsell the Wii U.

I'm expecting the PS4 and 720 to retail for $500 and the Wii U to have a $50 price cut in November, which would leave the Wii U Basic SKU being half the price.

You've also got to remember we're in the middle of the worst worldwide recession we've seen in donkeys years and that Nintendo have the strongestpstable of system selling IPs in the business.

1st Wii U
2nd PS4
3rd 720

That year's head start is going to make all the difference. If the Wii hadn't been a ridiculous sales phenomenon the 360 would have won last gen due to its head start.


Nintendo IPs aren't what they used to be. Nintendogs? NSMB? Brain Age? Sales are not what they used to be when the casuals were on board.

The sales of Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS says different. I'm expecting Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 to be released for the Wii U before the end of the year, we've also got Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101 and Game & Wario being released during these next few months.

NSMB U sales have been held back because (imo) it's too similar to the previous versions and released too close to the other versions.

We've also got the possibility of Wii Sports U being released, probably with online play.

Then you've got to take into account that the PS4 and 720, due to being made on a 28nm process, are going to be supply constrained for a while so even if customers are happy with forking out the cash for a more expensive console they might not be able to pick one up for a while...and if that wasn't enough you've also got to take into account that customers buying a 720 will also have the added expense of paying for Live Gold subscriptions on top of the price of the console.

I really don't understand how people are still arguing the specs here lol. Epic said the Unreal 4 engine won't work on the Wii-u because they are aiming at next gen tech, not the ps3, 360 and Wii-U. He literally had to laugh when he was asked if the engine was coming to the Wii-U.

The exact specs might be a mystery but that is only because Nintendo doesn't want people to know. However, if they are on par with the next gen consoles then why aren't we seeing any 1080p games on it? Also you can be sure a key engine developer like Epic knows the specs like the inside of their pocket. If they say Nintendo has to make do with the Unreal3 engine then that's the truth. Business wise it might actually hurt them, but they just can't make it work. Nintendo gambled on a expensive tablet controller instead of next gen specs and we have to wait and see how that will work out for them.



We haven't seen, and probably won't see, any 1080p native games because knowing what little we do of the hardware in the Wii U it's been designed specifically to be a 720p native machine.

And I haven't said anything about the Wii U being 'on par' with the PS4 and 720, just that the hardware is close enough to make ports possible. Just having 720p native means the Wii U will only need to have half the processing power before you even start to think about downgraded AA, dynamic lighting and shadows, more pop-in and longer loading times.

People seem convinced that we're going to have another Wii/PS3/360 situation again this gen but this is most certainly not the case.



g911turbo on 04 May 2013
Lawlight said:
snowdog said:
Lawlight said:
snowdog said:
The PS4 might outsell the 720 if the always online and no used games rumours end up being true but it won't outsell the Wii U.

I'm expecting the PS4 and 720 to retail for $500 and the Wii U to have a $50 price cut in November, which would leave the Wii U Basic SKU being half the price.

You've also got to remember we're in the middle of the worst worldwide recession we've seen in donkeys years and that Nintendo have the strongestpstable of system selling IPs in the business.

1st Wii U
2nd PS4
3rd 720

That year's head start is going to make all the difference. If the Wii hadn't been a ridiculous sales phenomenon the 360 would have won last gen due to its head start.


Nintendo IPs aren't what they used to be. Nintendogs? NSMB? Brain Age? Sales are not what they used to be when the casuals were on board.

The sales of Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS says different. I'm expecting Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 to be released for the Wii U before the end of the year, we've also got Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101 and Game & Wario being released during these next few months.

NSMB U sales have been held back because (imo) it's too similar to the previous versions and released too close to the other versions.

We've also got the possibility of Wii Sports U being released, probably with online play.

Then you've got to take into account that the PS4 and 720, due to being made on a 28nm process, are going to be supply constrained for a while so even if customers are happy with forking out the cash for a more expensive console they might not be able to pick one up for a while...and if that wasn't enough you've also got to take into account that customers buying a 720 will also have the added expense of paying for Live Gold subscriptions on top of the price of the console.


Mario Kart 7 didn't sell as much as Mario Kart Wii. And poor excuse for NSMBU - every Mario game is too similar to previous versions and released too close to the other versions. Will Animal Crossing sell as much as the previous iteration?

WiiU will never sell as much as the Wii did. PS3 will top this gen just like the PS2 and PS before it and the PS4 will do the same

Dude.  Relax buddy

And can I borrow your crystal ball?



Lawlight on 04 May 2013
g911turbo said:
Lawlight said:
snowdog said:
Lawlight said:
snowdog said:
The PS4 might outsell the 720 if the always online and no used games rumours end up being true but it won't outsell the Wii U.

I'm expecting the PS4 and 720 to retail for $500 and the Wii U to have a $50 price cut in November, which would leave the Wii U Basic SKU being half the price.

You've also got to remember we're in the middle of the worst worldwide recession we've seen in donkeys years and that Nintendo have the strongestpstable of system selling IPs in the business.

1st Wii U
2nd PS4
3rd 720

That year's head start is going to make all the difference. If the Wii hadn't been a ridiculous sales phenomenon the 360 would have won last gen due to its head start.


Nintendo IPs aren't what they used to be. Nintendogs? NSMB? Brain Age? Sales are not what they used to be when the casuals were on board.

The sales of Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS says different. I'm expecting Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 to be released for the Wii U before the end of the year, we've also got Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101 and Game & Wario being released during these next few months.

NSMB U sales have been held back because (imo) it's too similar to the previous versions and released too close to the other versions.

We've also got the possibility of Wii Sports U being released, probably with online play.

Then you've got to take into account that the PS4 and 720, due to being made on a 28nm process, are going to be supply constrained for a while so even if customers are happy with forking out the cash for a more expensive console they might not be able to pick one up for a while...and if that wasn't enough you've also got to take into account that customers buying a 720 will also have the added expense of paying for Live Gold subscriptions on top of the price of the console.


Mario Kart 7 didn't sell as much as Mario Kart Wii. And poor excuse for NSMBU - every Mario game is too similar to previous versions and released too close to the other versions. Will Animal Crossing sell as much as the previous iteration?

WiiU will never sell as much as the Wii did. PS3 will top this gen just like the PS2 and PS before it and the PS4 will do the same

Dude.  Relax buddy

And can I borrow your crystal ball?


Just common sense :)



goopy20 on 04 May 2013
snowdog said:
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
Lawlight said:
snowdog said:
The PS4 might outsell the 720 if the always online and no used games rumours end up being true but it won't outsell the Wii U.

I'm expecting the PS4 and 720 to retail for $500 and the Wii U to have a $50 price cut in November, which would leave the Wii U Basic SKU being half the price.

You've also got to remember we're in the middle of the worst worldwide recession we've seen in donkeys years and that Nintendo have the strongestpstable of system selling IPs in the business.

1st Wii U
2nd PS4
3rd 720

That year's head start is going to make all the difference. If the Wii hadn't been a ridiculous sales phenomenon the 360 would have won last gen due to its head start.


Nintendo IPs aren't what they used to be. Nintendogs? NSMB? Brain Age? Sales are not what they used to be when the casuals were on board.

The sales of Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS says different. I'm expecting Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 to be released for the Wii U before the end of the year, we've also got Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101 and Game & Wario being released during these next few months.

NSMB U sales have been held back because (imo) it's too similar to the previous versions and released too close to the other versions.

We've also got the possibility of Wii Sports U being released, probably with online play.

Then you've got to take into account that the PS4 and 720, due to being made on a 28nm process, are going to be supply constrained for a while so even if customers are happy with forking out the cash for a more expensive console they might not be able to pick one up for a while...and if that wasn't enough you've also got to take into account that customers buying a 720 will also have the added expense of paying for Live Gold subscriptions on top of the price of the console.

I really don't understand how people are still arguing the specs here lol. Epic said the Unreal 4 engine won't work on the Wii-u because they are aiming at next gen tech, not the ps3, 360 and Wii-U. He literally had to laugh when he was asked if the engine was coming to the Wii-U.

The exact specs might be a mystery but that is only because Nintendo doesn't want people to know. However, if they are on par with the next gen consoles then why aren't we seeing any 1080p games on it? Also you can be sure a key engine developer like Epic knows the specs like the inside of their pocket. If they say Nintendo has to make do with the Unreal3 engine then that's the truth. Business wise it might actually hurt them, but they just can't make it work. Nintendo gambled on a expensive tablet controller instead of next gen specs and we have to wait and see how that will work out for them.



We haven't seen, and probably won't see, any 1080p native games because knowing what little we do of the hardware in the Wii U it's been designed specifically to be a 720p native machine.

And I haven't said anything about the Wii U being 'on par' with the PS4 and 720, just that the hardware is close enough to make ports possible. Just having 720p native means the Wii U will only need to have half the processing power before you even start to think about downgraded AA, dynamic lighting and shadows, more pop-in and longer loading times.

People seem convinced that we're going to have another Wii/PS3/360 situation again this gen but this is most certainly not the case.

Well yes, it's designed specifically for 720p native games because that is all it can handle lol. If the Wii-U is such a big step up from the ps3/ 360, as you say, then don't you think the Wii-U should be able to do 1080p ports of current gen games? Something like KZ4 was running in full 1080p and there is no way in hell that game could run on the ps3 in 720p.

The difference between Wii-U ports next gen won't just be a bump in resolution, it will be a unreal 4 vs a unreal 3 engine version of the same game. Effectively, this means it will be totally different experiences (if developers actually want to do a Wii-U port that is). I am just using the Unreal engine as an example off course but all developers are building their own next gen engine. We got Square Enix with it's Luminous engine, ID making Doom 4 with a new engine, the Pantha Rhei engine from Capcom etc. All those engines were designed to push these new consoles to its limits while aiming for a fixed framerate of 30fps (not 60 and 30 on the Wii-U).



Zero999 on 04 May 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:

are you blind? i said they might be 5-6 times more powerfull than THE PS3 AND XBOX 360. THE WII U IS LIKE 3-4 TIMES THOSE CONSOLES, THUS MAKING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WII U AND PS4/NEXTBOX ONLY MARGINAL.

IF someone isn't interested in sony/microsoft own games, wii u is just as good as an option, if not better.

I see that you're new to these forums and it shows because you're acting like a clown in my opinion. Go do some searching before screaming things you know nothing about, not one thing you just stated is true.

go do some math. the next consoles would have to be 20+ times their predecessors in orther to be 5-6 times the wii u.

Xbox 360:         240  Gflops, 512mb ram, 22.4 gb/s bandwidth

Wii-U:                370  Gflops, 2gb ram, 12.8 gb/s bandwidth

Playstation 4:   1860 Gflops, 8gb ram, 176gb/s bandwidth

Also PS4 can use the gpu for big compute calculations like physics, the Wii-U can't.

invented gigaflops number. memory number doesn't consider EDRAM or system optimization.