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walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
z101 said:

PS4 & NextBox will have the same sales this christmas if they have roughly the same price. The cheaper console will have higher sales.

The Wii U will have the highest sales if all the announced games from Nintendo (3D Mario, X, Mario Kart, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2) will be released before christmas (along with Watch Dogs, Assassins Creed 3, Rayman Legends, Splinter Cell, Deus Ex, etc.).

After christmas? I think no one could make realistic estimates for the console sales in 2014.


Those 3rd party games won't have much effect on WiiU sales since they will sell mostly on the PS3/360/PS4/720. As for the first party ones, as I said, are Nintendo IPs that as big these days?

How can anyone answer this question when almost no big IP is released by now? Wait and see if Zelda, Mario and Pokemon can repeat the success of their precessors.

 

NSMB isn't a big IP? It's one of their biggest so what chances do the other have?



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Lawlight said:
BlkPaladin said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The PS3 may even reach 100 million console systems and continue the tradition of PS1/PS2 all sell over 100 million console systems. PS3 may eventually sell more systems than the Wii and win this console sales generation. PS3 is closing down the sales gap on the Wii down to 24 million and is now roughly equal to the XBox 360 in total sales. 

 


It will not. It would take another 4-to-5 year of the PS3 selling at current levels for it to hit 100 million, so unless the PS4 doesn't sell all that well and people opt to keep buying the PS3 instead I doubt the PS3 will make 95 million. Because once the PS3 came on the market it took that long for the PS2 to sell 10 million units.

At current levels, the PS3 is selling 13M per year despite having no price drop in years. So, at current levels, it will take 2 years to hit 100M.

And get your facts right. The PS2 sold about 50M after the PS3 hit the market including 13.7M in 2007.

At current levels the ps3 is sub 10M a year and this number will get smaller as wii u becomes more popular and the ps4/nextbox release. ps2 sold the equivalent of 36% the install base after the ps3 released. I don't think the much less popular ps3 will get close to that. 100 million is the top it could get.



Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
BlkPaladin said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The PS3 may even reach 100 million console systems and continue the tradition of PS1/PS2 all sell over 100 million console systems. PS3 may eventually sell more systems than the Wii and win this console sales generation. PS3 is closing down the sales gap on the Wii down to 24 million and is now roughly equal to the XBox 360 in total sales. 

 


It will not. It would take another 4-to-5 year of the PS3 selling at current levels for it to hit 100 million, so unless the PS4 doesn't sell all that well and people opt to keep buying the PS3 instead I doubt the PS3 will make 95 million. Because once the PS3 came on the market it took that long for the PS2 to sell 10 million units.

At current levels, the PS3 is selling 13M per year despite having no price drop in years. So, at current levels, it will take 2 years to hit 100M.

And get your facts right. The PS2 sold about 50M after the PS3 hit the market including 13.7M in 2007.

At current levels the ps3 is sub 10M a year and this number will get smaller as wii u becomes more popular and the ps4/nextbox release. ps2 sold the equivalent of 36% the install base after the ps3 released. I don't think the much less popular ps3 will get close to that. 100 million is the top it could get.

I can understand the total number going down but the percentage should stay the same for post gen sales.  Okay maybe a little less because it's been out longer before its successor comes but it also is still a higher price than PS2 was in its 3rd year.  I would say about 25% of PS3 sales will be post gen which is a fairly large drop off (aka pessimistic).  That puts it above 100m easily.




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ironmanDX said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
PScollector said:
Im going 2 keep my mouth shut until I see what Microsoft brings 2 the table on the 21st.


Seriously, I would be surprised if they actually show some dedication to making games.


I would like to take that bet.  I am pretty sure you will see a strong start from MS for the nextbox.  The key would be will that start continue for the life of the console.  In the last 2 years MS has invested in some gaming studios.  Reason would suggest that if these studios did not show anything on the 360 then they must have something for the nextbox.  I would not be surprised if MS also purchase some IPs from third party developers like Epic to fill out their launch window.


I am glad you are taking the bet  because no one has proven me wrong about Microsoft in the last three years. I have hope, but its not like I dont have a rational guard up in thinking they care about games. I would be happy to be wrong about Microsoft. 


I kind of see it a little different.  Bandwidth is always an issue when you try to promote a product.  MS started strong with the 360 but they relied on a lot of 3rd party companies for their exclusives and most of those went multiplat.  There are even rumors of Epic going multiplat with Gears which probably isn't something MS is interested in hearing.  So what do you do when some of your most promising exclusives goes, you start to build your own studios to fill in the gap.  So for the last 3 years this is exactly what MS has done.  Build such studios do take time, resources and the right people.  With these new studios, it coming along at this particular time means MS had to make a decision.  Have those studios produce for the curernt hardware or have them product for your next.  It seems MS decided to go with option 2.


Yeah yeah yeah, get to the bet already...

What are the stakes? I'm intrigued as to why STAGE is thinking MS aren't making games when a simple Google search can say otherwise.


True, I am willing to bet that MS comes out with 4 brand new IP and I will make it richer and exclude Kinect.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
PScollector said:
Im going 2 keep my mouth shut until I see what Microsoft brings 2 the table on the 21st.


Seriously, I would be surprised if they actually show some dedication to making games.


I would like to take that bet.  I am pretty sure you will see a strong start from MS for the nextbox.  The key would be will that start continue for the life of the console.  In the last 2 years MS has invested in some gaming studios.  Reason would suggest that if these studios did not show anything on the 360 then they must have something for the nextbox.  I would not be surprised if MS also purchase some IPs from third party developers like Epic to fill out their launch window.


I am glad you are taking the bet  because no one has proven me wrong about Microsoft in the last three years. I have hope, but its not like I dont have a rational guard up in thinking they care about games. I would be happy to be wrong about Microsoft. 

lol at that: "no one has proven you wrong"... You are not even acknowledging other people's comments and you are one of the first to always come and bash Microsoft's treads with your one sided point of view.

There is no point of "proving you wrong". Not judging you there as it is perfectly expected; I am for instance in the same case when you try to convince me that Sony is supposely a "gamer oriented company" and not "any" company... You are basicaly talking to a wall; same when we argue with your about Microsoft's games/console; you are just already completly biased and always right whatever we say

Microsoft will have a lot of surprises for us on May 21st. Even if they are keeping the majority of the game announcements for E3; I'm pretty sure they will show us a lot of good stuff and I really hope people will stop to believe they are stupid enough to come up with something completly irrelevant to face the WiiU/PS4... The last 2 generations actually "proved you wrong" in that sense!



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The market will shrink. This is obvious. Wii U will struggle to 50mil and ps4 and 720 will sell more. Leaving ps4 and 720 to fight over less than 100mil to add to their >50mil number already. For example, Wii U gets 50mil. Ps4 gets 60mil+whatever they gain from the 100mil up for grabs and 720 gets 60mil+ the remainder of the 100mil



Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
BlkPaladin said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The PS3 may even reach 100 million console systems and continue the tradition of PS1/PS2 all sell over 100 million console systems. PS3 may eventually sell more systems than the Wii and win this console sales generation. PS3 is closing down the sales gap on the Wii down to 24 million and is now roughly equal to the XBox 360 in total sales. 

 


It will not. It would take another 4-to-5 year of the PS3 selling at current levels for it to hit 100 million, so unless the PS4 doesn't sell all that well and people opt to keep buying the PS3 instead I doubt the PS3 will make 95 million. Because once the PS3 came on the market it took that long for the PS2 to sell 10 million units.

At current levels, the PS3 is selling 13M per year despite having no price drop in years. So, at current levels, it will take 2 years to hit 100M.

And get your facts right. The PS2 sold about 50M after the PS3 hit the market including 13.7M in 2007.

At current levels the ps3 is sub 10M a year and this number will get smaller as wii u becomes more popular and the ps4/nextbox release. ps2 sold the equivalent of 36% the install base after the ps3 released. I don't think the much less popular ps3 will get close to that. 100 million is the top it could get.

Ps3 is already near 77mil. I'd be hard pressed to believe they couldn't ship another 23mil in another 6 years. That's less than 4 mil a year and another 6 years puts it at 12year life span. Even at 4 more years that's less than 6mil a year. The Ps3 will have a extended life due to it's bloated price.



ironmanDX said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
PScollector said:
Im going 2 keep my mouth shut until I see what Microsoft brings 2 the table on the 21st.


Seriously, I would be surprised if they actually show some dedication to making games.


I would like to take that bet.  I am pretty sure you will see a strong start from MS for the nextbox.  The key would be will that start continue for the life of the console.  In the last 2 years MS has invested in some gaming studios.  Reason would suggest that if these studios did not show anything on the 360 then they must have something for the nextbox.  I would not be surprised if MS also purchase some IPs from third party developers like Epic to fill out their launch window.


I am glad you are taking the bet  because no one has proven me wrong about Microsoft in the last three years. I have hope, but its not like I dont have a rational guard up in thinking they care about games. I would be happy to be wrong about Microsoft. 


I kind of see it a little different.  Bandwidth is always an issue when you try to promote a product.  MS started strong with the 360 but they relied on a lot of 3rd party companies for their exclusives and most of those went multiplat.  There are even rumors of Epic going multiplat with Gears which probably isn't something MS is interested in hearing.  So what do you do when some of your most promising exclusives goes, you start to build your own studios to fill in the gap.  So for the last 3 years this is exactly what MS has done.  Build such studios do take time, resources and the right people.  With these new studios, it coming along at this particular time means MS had to make a decision.  Have those studios produce for the curernt hardware or have them product for your next.  It seems MS decided to go with option 2.


Yeah yeah yeah, get to the bet already...

What are the stakes? I'm intrigued as to why STAGE is thinking MS aren't making games when a simple Google search can say otherwise.


MS will have games....they always do in the beginning, but if they suck MS drops complete support and guts companies. Microsoft has left the first party core support dry for the last 3-4 years of the Xbox 360's life just to support the Kinect and possibly half of that time the 720's development process. These gamess better be gold....better yet platinum. MS has someting for Sony, I am sure, but everyone knows Sony was holding back at their unveiling and they will be taking it to Microsoft. This will be the first time MS created a group of companies (Since Turn 10) dedicated to core game since they adopted the term "core gamer" and figured that out. Microsoft learned a lot about Sony first party attention to detail in art direction. Now they are applying it to themselves.



I'd say it will be something like this ...

 

Wii U   30-40 million (closer to 40 if it can get big titles like Smash Bros. out this holiday or holiday 2014).

PS4: 50-90 million

720: 50-90 million

 

I put a wide range on PS4 and 720 because we just don't know enough about them to make any kind of accurate predictions at this point ... 720 hasn't even been anounced yet. Leaning towards one or the other would just be personal bias talking. Sony has not announced all of the features (or even shown for that matter) for their console, and Microsoft won't tell us anything until May 21st.

The Wii U is already here so we can make safer predictions about its final sales, and there are still a lot of things Nintendo can do to change these numbers (look what a dramatic price cut and lots of quality titles did for the struggling 3DS). I fear that Wii U may be destined for low (Gamecube style) sales if Nintendo does not introduce a major price cut along with solid titles. 3rd party exclusives are not necessary in my opinion. A price cut and a bunch of solid first party will be more than enough. Improving and expanding their online capabilities for the WIi U would be a nice idea too (add accounts that aren't tied to the system, cross game chatting, achievements, have the same DLC available as competitors, ect.) Unlike last gen, Nintendo should get most if not all of the third party games that Microsoft and Sony will have (maybe not EA ... at least not yet though).



Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
BlkPaladin said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The PS3 may even reach 100 million console systems and continue the tradition of PS1/PS2 all sell over 100 million console systems. PS3 may eventually sell more systems than the Wii and win this console sales generation. PS3 is closing down the sales gap on the Wii down to 24 million and is now roughly equal to the XBox 360 in total sales. 

 


It will not. It would take another 4-to-5 year of the PS3 selling at current levels for it to hit 100 million, so unless the PS4 doesn't sell all that well and people opt to keep buying the PS3 instead I doubt the PS3 will make 95 million. Because once the PS3 came on the market it took that long for the PS2 to sell 10 million units.

At current levels, the PS3 is selling 13M per year despite having no price drop in years. So, at current levels, it will take 2 years to hit 100M.

And get your facts right. The PS2 sold about 50M after the PS3 hit the market including 13.7M in 2007.

At current levels the ps3 is sub 10M a year and this number will get smaller as wii u becomes more popular and the ps4/nextbox release. ps2 sold the equivalent of 36% the install base after the ps3 released. I don't think the much less popular ps3 will get close to that. 100 million is the top it could get.

That would be amazing if the PS3 could reach 100 million consoles. This has been a really long gen and goes to show the utility and value of Sonys development.