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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Iwata Is Aware That People Believe That WiiU Is Underpowered And Says This Is A Misunderstanding

S.T.A.G.E. on 28 April 2013
RazorDragon said:
Hynad said:

Nice spin. Ha ha ha

But we know it was real time. They played that part during Jimmy Fallon's show. Why isn't this getting through to your head, I wonder.

Thanks for the compliment.


Anyway, the "controller problem" Jimmy Fallon and the other guest who also played the game had was strange at best, specially considering that when the Sony guy played, everything seemed to go normally. I'm not saying it wasn't real time, but I also can't be 100% sure that it was running at real time because of what happened during the gameplay.

Dude...demos are real time. 



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Leadified on 28 April 2013
oniyide said:
Leadified said:

I dont think they have that kind of system to be honest with you. They are trying to do the WIi thing all over again. Dont do an actual generational leap, and just give the people something funky, like the wiimote before. Problem is no one cares about the pad right now, SO they dont have that and they were kinda banking on it.

The Wii U has more than enough to show off it's a step up from the PS3 and Xbox 360. If Nintendo will acutally show that off is another story.



Hynad on 28 April 2013
RazorDragon said:
Hynad said:

Nice spin. Ha ha ha

But we know it was real time. They played that part during Jimmy Fallon's show. Why isn't this getting through to your head, I wonder.

Thanks for the compliment.


Anyway, the "controller problem" Jimmy Fallon and the other guest who also played the game had was strange at best, specially considering that when the Sony guy played, everything seemed to go normally. I'm not saying it wasn't real time, but I also can't be 100% sure that it was running at real time because of what happened during the gameplay.

Controller problem? What happened during the gameplay?

Never occured to you that what happened was nothing more than Fallon and Anderson sucking really bad at video games? -__-



RazorDragon on 28 April 2013
Hynad said:
RazorDragon said:
Hynad said:

Nice spin. Ha ha ha

But we know it was real time. They played that part during Jimmy Fallon's show. Why isn't this getting through to your head, I wonder.

Thanks for the compliment.


Anyway, the "controller problem" Jimmy Fallon and the other guest who also played the game had was strange at best, specially considering that when the Sony guy played, everything seemed to go normally. I'm not saying it wasn't real time, but I also can't be 100% sure that it was running at real time because of what happened during the gameplay.

Controller problem? What happened during the gameplay?

Never occured to you that what happened was nothing more than Fallon and Anderson sucking really bad at video games? -__-


See the video and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Yeah, they might just suck at it... Or there could be a video running instead of actual gameplay and the only actor there was the guy from Sony, therefore, they simulated controller problems when Fallon and the other guy tried to play.



Hynad on 28 April 2013
RazorDragon said:
Hynad said:
RazorDragon said:
Hynad said:

Nice spin. Ha ha ha

But we know it was real time. They played that part during Jimmy Fallon's show. Why isn't this getting through to your head, I wonder.

Thanks for the compliment.


Anyway, the "controller problem" Jimmy Fallon and the other guest who also played the game had was strange at best, specially considering that when the Sony guy played, everything seemed to go normally. I'm not saying it wasn't real time, but I also can't be 100% sure that it was running at real time because of what happened during the gameplay.

Controller problem? What happened during the gameplay?

Never occured to you that what happened was nothing more than Fallon and Anderson sucking really bad at video games? -__-


See the video and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Yeah, they might just suck at it... Or there could be a video running instead of actual gameplay and the only actor there was the guy from Sony, therefore, they simulated controller problems when Fallon and the other guy tried to play.

I watched the video quite a few times. And Fallon was doing fine, even if he's just bad at games. But when Anderson took the controller, he sucked big time. If you think that was staged, seriously, there's no point arguing further with you. Reality will do the rest. Ha ha ha.



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goopy20 on 28 April 2013
Grandia said:
Cobretti2 said:
Grandia said:
tontus said:
DaRev said:
pezus said:
He fails to mention the consoles that most people WiiU is underpowered compared to. WiiU being underpowered compared to PS4 and most likely Nextbox isn't a misunderstanding, it's fact.

Iwata doesn't fail to do anything, because what he's saying is that you can develop games on the WiiU (yeah it's that simple). He is not comparing the WiiU to any other console - you might want or expect him to to that, but he is not. For example, NBA 2K 14 will come out eventually for all consooles, including the WiiU, so the console is not underpowered. Similarly, the next Modern Warfare and other 3rd party games (Watch Dogs) should be on the WiiU as well, so the console is not underpowered.

What I think Iwata is saying as well is that there is this a seed of crazy thinking being cultivated by people like Epic and Sony and MS, that games have to look a certain way to be a game - this is the misunderstanding Iwata is talking about. I assume the way he plans to change this misundertsnading to make sucessful games on the WiiU (from the second half 2013), and once developers see that their games can sell well on WiiU, regardless of how they look, they will understand that the WiiU is not underpowered.

The only reason games like the next CoD, NBA & Watch Dogs are coming to the Wii U is because they're coming to the PS360, if they were made for the PS4/Xbox Infinite then you can be sure that they wouldn't come to the Wii U, why would developers sacrifice quality/increase budgets just to release on the Wii U when the sales won't justifiy those efforts? In a few years when multiplatform games aren't being made for the PS360 then they'll also stop coming for the Wii U too.

And expecting and wanting significantly more advanced graphics from next generation consoles is not crazy thinking, it's exactly what the vast majority of people expect and want from new consoles. Also more power can help make the gameplay, load-times, & AI etc, better too. Iwata making a successful Nintendo game isn't going to encourage developers to make games for the Wii U anymore than successful Nintendo games encouraged developers to make their games for the Wii. There is no misunderstanding, developers know that they will make more money developing for PS4, Xbox Infinite & PC without having to sacrifice quality for the underpowered Wii U which wouldn't be worth it anyway as only Nintendo exclusives sell well on Nintendo consoles.

There is no big leap in graphics this time, games on PS4 will not look significantly better than on PS 3 or WiiU. There is no possibility for much better looking games, look at games like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3 it looks almsot as good as the reality it is not that far away from photo-realistic. How you want to make games that look better than the reality?

All games which will come out for the next generation consoles will be possible with only minor downgrades on the wii u too, the only question is if developers will see enaugh potential to sell games on the wiiu. It has to pay of for them to releas downports for wiiu.


we are no were NEAR reality. There was some article about a week or two ago that said you need about 2PETAFLOPS (or some othe rnumber cant remember) to acheive this.  It equates to 2000 gtx690 cards (so whatever the TFLOPS on this card are)


But where is the benefit of going further to photo-realistic graphics if no one will notice a real difference to the graphics like they are now already in  Ps3, Wiiu games? If you play Uncharted 3 it already looks like photo-realistic, if you play gears of War it looks like photo-realistic, parts of this games look already even better than the reality because they use brighter colors than reality do, no one except for some graphics fetishists will notice improvements  to this graphics especially when you play the game the focus is not only on the graphics.

So why someone should invest millions of dollars in development if no one will notice a real difference?

The new hardware will simply bring larger worlds (levels), more textures on screen (variety in the levels) and better physics. Imagine a Gears of war or Uncharted with huge, fully destructable levels. They can't scale things like that down when they are part of the gameplay experience. Well they could, but it would basically be a different game. 



Kaizar on 28 April 2013

He clearly means that there is a misunderstanding if the Wii U amongst current systems.....PS3 & 360.

A lot of people still believe that the Wii U is underpowered in some area compare to the PS3 & 360.



S.T.A.G.E. on 28 April 2013
RazorDragon said:
Hynad said:
RazorDragon said:

About KZ4 gameplay being a real time: we never know.

You really are in denial.

Killzone 4 was played live, in front of an audience, by Jimmy Fallon. Care to explain this one? I want to be entertained by the spin you'll come up with.

I find it rather peculiar that you're hell bent on calling Killzone 4's graphics not a generational leap above the current consoles, yet you insist on saying that the demo might not even be real time... If it's not a generational leap above the PS3, why would that be hard to believe it ran in real time? -__-

Quit with the FUD.


I'm just saying that we don't know. Just like, for example, it's not known if the Star Wars Kinect E3 2010 demo was real gameplay or not. We know about the final Star Wars Kinect product. Killzone 4 isn't released yet, so it's not possible to be sure if what was shown is real time or not.

Saying that the demo might not be real time isn't the same as saying that it has graphics that seem like generational leaps, you know.


No...we do know...you're in denial.



cunger on 28 April 2013

Am I the only one who thinks that Iwata is suggesting it's not underpowered compared to PS3 and Xbox 360 and that that is the misunderstanding he needs to clarify???



S.T.A.G.E. on 28 April 2013
Kaizar said:

He clearly means that there is a misunderstanding if the Wii U amongst current systems.....PS3 & 360.

A lot of people still believe that the Wii U is underpowered in some area compare to the PS3 & 360.


Its not comparable to the coming consoles, its only comparable to the PS3 & 360. Look at the multiplat back to back videos. Its current gen par tech but people need to get over whether its next gen or not, its Nintendos next gen and thats fine with me. Iwata doesn't need to do damage control.