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Forums - Politics - I am from a Lutheran Church, we believe Catholics are going to Hell- Sorry .... a simple question.

KingofTrolls said:
JakDaSnack said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Soleron said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Also, if you are Christian - any Christian - you should believe that no group, even non-Christian goups, are doomed to hell. You should believe that any good person will have eternal life. If you don't, read the good Summaritan story..


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

You have to accept Jesus to go to heaven, that is what the Bible says. The Good Samaritan is in hell.

And as long as you have accepted Jesus, you can be forgiven for anything you've done in your life, so some Christians who have done lots of evil are in Heaven.

Clearly you have no understanding of Christian belief.

Apparently you don't have an understanding of Christian belief.

here is the good samaritan story http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV

NIV isn't the best version but whatever,

anways, please tell me, where in the bible does it say you have to do "good works" to get into heaven, because it certainly doesn't say so in the versus i just linked you.

 

Revelation 20:12-15

 

12 And I saw the dead -

large and small -

standing before the throne,

and the books were opened.

And another book was opened,

which is the book of life.

And the dead were judged from what is written in the books,

according to their deeds.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;

and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:

and were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

This is the second death - the lake of fire.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life,

was cast into the lake of fire.

 

that verse is right, you will be judged based on your works, you will get rewards for doing good things, and you will be punished for your misdeeds, but none of that has to do with getting into heaven.  I can see where your confusion lies though.



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@Akvod: I think his threads are mostly entertaining (most are made for the funny factor).

@ spurge: If you believe in the Bible and Christianity, then it is quite simple who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. It boils down to what's in your heart. If you truly believe in God and Jesus Christ as our savior and accept him into your heart, then you will go to heaven. It's that simple. There's only one way that you will not go to heaven; and that is by rejecting God (which you also do so by not accepting him into your heart).



Ryan, i didn`t read all but what i read has got nothing to do with the Catholic Church. If you want to know what Catholicism is, don`t read that. Read the actual book of Catholicism. There you will find your anwsers.

Just to give an exemple, it isn`t the priest who forgives, it`s Jesus. The same way He exorcises or heals through priests. It`s His work and no one else`s.
Communicating (that`s the term for taking the host) is used as Jesus asked for. And it`s a way for us to be as one with Christ again - due to our sins. Forgiveness comes from repentence and confession, not from communicating.
Those who go to purgatory (not all) didn`t pay in this life for all their sins, despite being worthy of heaven. And if i understood point 6, all our sins can be redeemed through the sacrífice of others. Just like Jesus sacrífice saved us... all of us.



It's threads like these that are the reason this site has become pathetic. As a catholic we are taught to never doom anyone to hell, because we have no right. Christians are supposed to be united you know. Also your chuch has a very unchristian way of teaching as we are meant to love everyone and treat everyone with respect.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Nah, since God is all-knowing he will know exactly why these people made each and every decision that they made throughout their lives and be perfectly able to see everything from their point of view - Knowing that he would have made the same decisions in their exact situations and with their limited knowledge and wisdom.

If God is just, no one is going to hell.

That isn't true even in the least. He knows that humans are foolish and have extremely limited knowledge and wisdom which is why all you have to do is accept him into your heart to be saved. It's incredibly simple and anyone can do so regardless of what they've done. 



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newwil7l said:
It's threads like these that are the reason this site has become pathetic. As a catholic we are taught to never doom anyone to hell, because we have no right. Christians are supposed to be united you know. Also your chuch has a very unchristian way of teaching as we are meant to love everyone and treat everyone with respect.

everyone has fallen short of the glory of God, everyone that is christian does unchristian things, it's impossible not too.



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JakDaSnack said:
newwil7l said:
It's threads like these that are the reason this site has become pathetic. As a catholic we are taught to never doom anyone to hell, because we have no right. Christians are supposed to be united you know. Also your chuch has a very unchristian way of teaching as we are meant to love everyone and treat everyone with respect.

everyone has fallen short of the glory of God, everyone that is christian does unchristian things, it's impossible not too.



That isn't my point. My point is that the church should be teaching you in an unchristian way as it defeats the purpose.

TheLastStarFighter said:
Ryan, I'm Catholic and there are some problems with what you have there. Things like purgatory and limbo for unbaptised babies... those are superstitions and traditions more than bible-based beliefs.

Also, if you are Christian - any Christian - you should believe that no group, even non-Christian goups, are doomed to hell. You should believe that any good person will have eternal life. If you don't, read the good Summaritan story.

There's lots wrong with the Catholic church. But for most Chatholics its like any other Christian church, they go, they learn about Jesus and right and wrong. They don't have some big loyalty to the pope or anyone else. And a lot of what is thought about Catholics by non-Catholics isn't true.


The good Summaritan story doesn't suggest that anyone and everyone will be saved. It suggests that anyone can be loved and saved. But you have to belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord an Savior to be saved.



JakDaSnack said:
newwil7l said:
It's threads like these that are the reason this site has become pathetic. As a catholic we are taught to never doom anyone to hell, because we have no right. Christians are supposed to be united you know. Also your chuch has a very unchristian way of teaching as we are meant to love everyone and treat everyone with respect.

everyone has fallen short of the glory of God, everyone that is christian does unchristian things, it's impossible not too.


This is true. Nobody deserves to go to heaven and nobody will earn the right to be there by living a certain way. Only by the Grace of God can we be saved but we do need to accept his grace by believing in Jesus Christ in order to be saved.




Reading the Scriptures we find it logical and harmonious answer to the question: Where are the dead? Death, as a punishment for disobedience to God's destruction, the state of non-existence. By the grace of God, Jesus Christ paid the ransom by giving people the hope of the resurrection, the return to life on earth. Before this promise be fulfilled, Jesus chooses from among the people of the faithful followers of Him who, after his resurrection as spiritual beings will be in the Millennium bring with him the whole of mankind to perfection. Depending on the decline, it was in person at the time of death would have an easier or harder to attain perfection lost by Adam. If someone in 1000 years will be able to get rid of sin, or does not want to serve God will be destroyed in the second death. Such a plan for dealing with people shows us the Creator wise, just and merciful. Let it will encourage us to live a life of piety. Let our thoughts as often turn to the Word of Life.


"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, I will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them, I will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither toil will not be for the former things are passed away. And he said, He that sat upon the throne, Behold I make all things new. And he says: Write, for these words are faithful and true, "(Rev. 21:1-5)

"Indeed, salvation is near for those who fear him, to the glory of his live in our land. To grace and truth met, And righteousness and peace have kissed. Fidelity will grow from the earth, And righteousness will look to the heavens. Also give you prosperity and our land will yield its. Justice will walk before him and set his steps the way. "(Psalm 85:10-14)

 

In short - common belief that salvation = goin to Heaven is just uncorrect. U will get new, perfect, REAL body and live on perfect Earth, u will be connected to God directly, became god - like beign.