Please tell me what graphic card is inside the wii u because it hasn't been revealed yet. also nintendo never said wii u relinquishes 1 gb of ram, what was said is that the OS used 1gb wich is diffrent from saying the games can't use more than 1 gb of ram. also you're making up the 7 gb available for ps4 and the amount of ram it has for games is irrelevant when less than half will actually be necessary.

How many excuses do you guys have? Nintendo doesn't have to reveal shit about anything, the console launched and people have picked apart the system and revealed its not that powerful a long time ago. The system has been out since November.  Give it a rest already.

You are talking to me about whats necessary in GB  but really its just your wishful thinking because you're a Nintendo fan and guess what? Life ain't always fair. Third parties demanded 8GB of ram....but I guess their words count for nothing because Nintendo can't measure up right? As much as I respect you and always have please come back to reality bro.

all I remember is the console being open and nothing really discovered about the graphic card. and how many excuses do you have to try making wii u look bad?

I don't want to make the Wii U look bad, I was set to buy one until I saw the PS4 unveiling. It makes itself look bad with bad ports, when if it was supposed to be so powerful its ports would be closer to PC compared to the PS3 and 360 versions of certain games and not slightly better or slightly worse. A port is a port based on a consoles capabilities and scaling to fit just right. If the console was really that powerful it would've been pushed and scaled to be vastly better than the PS3/360. The PC is the peak...the consoles are the lowest end and the Wii U was just slightly above the current gen. Theres no mistakening it.

I've already played the Rayman demo, Ninja Gaiden 3 was ok and had more jaggies than the PS3/360 versions but was clearly the better version of the game in gameplay. Zombie U was a good starter game, but felt that way more could've been done for that title. Its like Ubisoft was just toying with the Wii until they make a sequel. I played Nintendoland with some friends and enjoyed the little minigames and stuff but that was about it. After the PS4 came out I was convinced I am waiting to buy the Wii U farther out in the game.

Superchunk is being too optimistic and S.T.A.G.E is being too negative. The truth is somewhere in between.

It's pretty common knowledge that the Wii U is under powered compared to what we are expecting out of next-generation consoles.
The Wii U is to the Xbox 360 and PS3, like the Wii is to the Xbox and PS2. - Aka. roughly 2-3x the performance.

Also with the OS using 1Gb of ram, that should change in the future when they optimise the OS for a smaller footprint, freeing up memory for developers, I fully expect Sony and Microsoft to do the same with their respective consoles later in their lives.

As for the GPU, unlike the Xbox 360, PS3, PS4 and probably the Xbox 720... The Wii U uses a completely custom GPU, however it is also built at 40nm so it's not going to be stupidly powerful for the sake of power consumption and die size concerns.

It's still a nice improvement over the current consoles, but like what I think with the PS4, I still would have loved to have seen more sheer hardware grunt, only just so we can see games technology pushed farther and faster.

So the xbox 360 is only slightly more powerful than ps2 if we judge the first games, ports that were slightly superior or worse. then you're going to mention that kameo c#ap again and guess what genius: so far the only games built from 0 for wii u haven't been released or had low budget. but we had a glimpse of what the console can do with the monolith X wich was amazing. and by the way nfs most wanted was identical to the pc version on wii u (acording to the developers themselves), ins't that what you wanted? "the pc is the peak"

The Wii U is not in between the PS4 and the current consoles. Its closer to the current gen in power and it hasn't proven even with multiplats that it was closer to the PC versions of the game. 

wii was an overclocked gamecube with a little more ram. wii u has a gpu many years ahead of the ones on ps360, as well as 4 times as much ram that seems to be highly optmized so it could end up the equivalent of 3 gb of ram or more if we compare to the raw performance. so clearly the wii u is a nice step up from ps3. on the other hand, the ps4 and next box are not as big steps up from the ps360 as the ps360 were from ps2xbox.

it's like a much more powerful wii against moderately less powerfull ps360 = not that big of a difference.

Such misinformation.

The Wii U has roughly only Double the amount of ram available to developers compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3, not quadruple or ten times, but double.

Ram doesn't do any processing, it doesn't have the quivalent of 3gb of ram, it has the equivalent of 1gb of ram which is currently the amount given to developers, this may or may not change over time, that is highly dependant on Nintendo and how much they can reduce the memory consumption of the Wii U's operating system over time.

As for the Graphics chip, I'm not doubting it cannot do more graphics tricks than the Direct X 9 class graphics chips in the Xbox 360 and PS3, I fully expect it to use things like Tessellation and such, which is going to be it's LARGEST advantage over the current consoles. (Although the Xbox 360 has a Tessellator too, but it's underpowered and can only be used sparingly for things like water.)

It's not going to be anymore than a 2-3 fold increase in image quality, which lets be honest is still a bloody nice increase over the current systems.

The GPU is a 40nm part, the system has a maximum power draw of 75 watts, the fastest 40nm graphics chip that would fit that would be a Radeon 6670, however it's more than likely not a Radeon 6670 class GPU, but something significantly less as the system has to power a system drive, optical drive, Ram, CPU, GPU, Chipsets, controllers the works, so in the end it's probably safe to say the GPU has about 30-40 watts for itself which would land it at the Radeon 6450/6570 level.

To put that kind of performance into perspective, Integrated Graphics, Aka. IGP's have been available for a long time that's faster than that, however with that said, it's still a couple of multiples faster than the Xbox 360 and PS3, but it's nowhere near a PS4, 720 (I assume) or PC, Nintendo gave up on the high-end gaming market long ago, starting with the Wii.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for the Wii U to be competitive with the Xbox 720 and PS4, more competition is a GOOD thing as it always benefits the consumer, but you need to be realistic on the direction that Nintendo was taking the Wii U in.