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Lostplanet22 on 23 April 2013
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
There needs to be a one size fits all solution to dealing with Muslims. Muslims who enter western nations should be monitored, closely tracked in order to prevent terrorism. The activities of Muslims need to be tracked by the government in order to keep us all safe and secure from possible Muslim terrorism. One Muslim terrorist act is too many but there have been multiple terrorist acts involving Muslims. Why do Muslim terrorists hate freedom and democracy?


You checked the youtube link that I posted before?  You get the answer why 'a good muslim' should not like democracy.



 

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badgenome on 23 April 2013
Mr Khan said:

The acid test in Egypt will be if rule of law can survive Mohammed Morsi. If the various organs of the state can remain independent of the Muslim Brotherhood, then the current climate in Egypt will only be a minor speed-bump towards a properly freer future, but if Morsi and the Brotherhood successfully subsume them, as Putin and United Russia have conquered every avenue of power within Russia (called "rule by law") without having to actually destroy said organs as dictators of old would have done, then we'll see some nasty, lasting damage.

I'm not optimistic. Unlike most people, many of whom were pooh-poohing the very idea that the Muslim Brotherhood could even come to power when there was no other organized opposition even worth mentioning, I was never optimistic because polls have shown for years that something like 80% of Egyptians want more Islam in their government, not less. Unless the past couple of years have changed their minds about that, and I don't see any signs that they have, things are going to get much worse before they get any better.



SxyxS on 23 April 2013
PullusPardus said:
Education.

the boston bombers went to college.

the two guys in canada seem to be well educated too.

 

there is nothing left to educate them as education and reason are two completely different things.

 

only thing that helps:exposure.

exposing islam will help:tell people that there are muslims following the islam of mekka(the time of mohammeds tolerance)

and the islam of medina(the time when mohammed turned into a genozide mass murderer)

telling people about the abrogation(which nullifies the tolerant mekka-writing in favour of the medina writings in the quran)-to understand the abrogation you'll have to know that the quran is not written in a chronological way.

telling people that ruling the whole world is the aim of islam and that the way to reach this aim is called jihad(has nothing to do with holy war)and that all muslims

exposing mohammed:he married aisha at the age of 6,exterminated the(defenseless) banu quayriza tribe and legelised slavery.having such a guy a idol(he is considered as the perfect human being)will always make problems.



Slimebeast on 23 April 2013
ToraTiger said:
Slimebeast said:

Unlike many other religions it is built into islam to conquer the world and submit the unbelievers. I think that is key here.

The muslims tried to conquer Europe as early as in the 8th century until the Franks stopped them. To constantly blame Western world atrocities as a cause for muslim aggression is naive and an expression of self-hate.

What should be done?

Try to stay out the Middle East to not aggravate islamists more than necessary. But I think it was right to invade Afghanistan after 9/11 to stop Al-Qaeda and it's certainly right that the US defends and supports Israel.

Stop funding Saudi-Arabia, Egypt and whatnot.

Restrict immigration from islamic countries to the West. Do not let muslims build mosques with tall minarets or call to prayer in Europe, and don't give them special rights that threaten the democratic prinicples of the West.

Try to decrease oil dependancy of OPEC.

Not true at all.  There's nothing in the Islam holy book that states to kill or provoke non-beilevers in any way. 

Now you don't say anything about how the Christians tried to do the same thing, but that behaviour isn't the way of the Bible, either.  It's the indiviuals that caused that, not the religion.  To think that is ludacris.   If they really wanted to conquer the World, don't you think they would have tried that by now?  And can you please clarify why do you think they want to kill everyone else who isn't Muslim?

It's not naive to think it's the West's fault, because it probably is.  We've been involved in so many wars in the middle east over the course of the last three decades, it's ridiculous.  It might be for oil.

Actually, I think the terrorist attacks on the US is a direct result of the hate that some Muslims have for this country because of their actions in the middle east. 

And as for you saying something about Israel, I don't see how you can side with a country that was formed from the lands Muslims have lived in for centuries and they form it without their consent or approval.   If the people who did 9/11 are terrorist, than the biggest terrorist is the United states of America and it's foreign policies.

Honestly, if you are going to make such a blatant claim, at least know what you're talking about first.  It makes you sound like a child.

I think you are just taking the chance without actually knowing, hoping that your claims about the Koran and muslim world-view are correct. They aren't.

Islam aims to submit both the individual and society under it. That's why it is a religious and political ideology (unlike christianity). The Koran is very clear about this and the works of Muhammad himself testify about it by being a military commander who conquered the whole Arabic peninsula, and his followers who conquered and submitted the whole Middle-East within the next 30 years. And within a century, muslims had already conquered Spain and tried to conquer Europe before the Franks stopped them. So they already did try to take over the world. Right from the beginning.

I never said or implied that muslims "want to kill everyone else who isn't Muslim". That's ridiculous. But islam aims to submit everybody under its rule, under islamic governance. You don't have to kill to do that.

The actions of the West do have some impact on muslim behaviour like I already stated, but it annoys me to see this blatant naivity (about islam and the islamic world) and self-hate (always blame the West).



Jozu on 23 April 2013

Nukes are the answer.



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mai on 23 April 2013
Jozu said:
Nukes are the answer.

Nuke 'merica? Radical!



the2real4mafol on 23 April 2013
Jozu said:
Nukes are the answer.

And piss off China at the same time



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Dr.Grass on 23 April 2013

attack China



Jozu on 23 April 2013

Just Nuking the Islam countries will surfice. Theyre the cause of most the trouble in the world, it'd be a safer place without them.



badgenome on 23 April 2013
Dr.Grass said:
attack China

spurge, is that you?