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Could you and Jesus be friends?

Yes: he has some teachings I can relate to. 23 65.71%
 
No: I don't like his tea... 9 25.71%
 
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DaRev said:

Understandable, but I think you might be complicating things a bit. For example, if I said to you that we should kill all black people or kill all white people, could you be friends with me, would you need to have a discussion face to face with me to make up your mind of whether to befriend me or not? Jesus said love your enemies, do you agree with that, and based on such other teachings, could you be friends with Jesus?


Racism is an idea that most people strongly disagree with, so obviously that discounts racists as potential friends. Loving your enemies is an idea that people strongly agree with (assumption of course), but that doesn't automatically guarantee that a person holding that belief would be a good friend. There are other factors at play when deciding if someone is friend material. Just because a person is satisfactory with factor, that doesn't mean they would be satisfactory overall. On the other hand, if a person is horribly bad because of just one factor, then that can be a good reason to not be friends with him/her even without getting to know him entirely. There's a difference.



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outlawauron said:

Because there are texts that contain direct quotes from Jesus versus writings from apostles. That's more than point than the time it was written.

I see your point now, my apologies although it's a bit silly to think quotations 30 years removed are accurate. 

Matthew 10:34-36

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;

36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’[a]



We could never be friends. He would take the blame for everything and I would feel incredibly guilty watching him suffer for reprimands I should be receiving.

And that might even lead me down a dark path of doing terrible things because I know he'd take responsibility for it....



dsgrue3 said:
I wouldn't disagree with most of his morals, just his punishment for such immorality.

Revelation 2:22-23

22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their[a] deeds.
23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

Ok, the bible can be a bit excessive at times, I guess especially with regard to it punishments and how it describes them. But remember that this was a woman that was doing all kinds of evil and misleading people. How can we know the truth if our leader is misleading us? So  Jesus is saying to the woman that she will be punished, if she does not repent (althought I think he's talking to the Church or wrong teachings, not a particular person).

Yeah the punishment might be excessive, but she (or the Church) was warned and did have a choice.

Moreover, some if not most of this punishement I think happens in the spiritual relm, cuase we have all kinds of adultery happening today and there is seemingly no such severe punishment happening. I think he is just saying that he will destroy your churches and your teachings if you do not repent.



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Jay520 said:
Mathew 21:18

"18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered."

I am against environmental destruction.

I look at it in a different way, in that Jesus was making way for a tree that did bear fruit. Isn't it better to have trees or anything round that fullfils their purpose? What if your PS3 360 doesn't boot up one day, again, will you keep it around? 



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DaRev said:

Ok, the bible can be a bit excessive at times, I guess especially with regard to it punishments and how it describes them. But remember that this was a woman that was doing all kinds of evil and misleading people. How can we know the truth if our leader is misleading us? So  Jesus is saying to the woman that she will be punished, if she does not repent (althought I think he's talking to the Church or wrong teachings, not a particular person).

Yeah the punishment might be excessive, but she (or the Church) was warned and did have a choice.

Moreover, some if not most of this punishement I think happens in the spiritual relm, cuase we have all kinds of adultery happening today and there is seemingly no such severe punishment happening. I think he is just saying that he will destroy your churches and your teachings if you do not repent.

That's an understatement. The punishment for any type of immoral behavior tends to be death.

So if you don't apologize he will destroy your things and/or kill you. Sounds like an infant.



DaRev said:
Jay520 said:
Mathew 21:18

"18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered."

I am against environmental destruction.

I look at it in a different way, in that Jesus was making way for a tree that did bear fruit. Isn't it better to have trees or anything round that fullfils their purpose? What if your PS3 360 doesn't boot up one day, again, will you keep it around? 

If I had super healing powers, I would fix the tree rather than destroying it. Jesus was being unnecessarily reckless.



Sure if the guy cured my ailments and made water into wine we could party.



BasilZero said:

In Matthew 10, Jesus is giving instructions to his disciples prior to sending them out into the region. One topic is the fact that what they will be teaching will not be well received by all who hear it. They will be facing persecution at the hands of the religious rulers and the secular government. But Jesus warns that even members of their own families may turn against them.

Further emphasis on the "Sword and not peace" part is further explained in the below source.

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2007/11-12.html

^ In other words people will have different beliefs even among family members. There isnt a  family in the world that all believe in the same thing or think alike - it is that difference that divides families.

A further example is written here in Matt 24:9 expanding it from families to nations/population.

http://bible.cc/matthew/24-9.htm

Nope, sorry, your source pulls quotations from the book of John which I'm told isn't the direct quotations of Jesus and is not relevant to this thread.

It is quite clear that Jesus is not a peaceful man by his own admission. As such, I care not to befriend him.



Jay520 said:
DaRev said:

Understandable, but I think you might be complicating things a bit. For example, if I said to you that we should kill all black people or kill all white people, could you be friends with me, would you need to have a discussion face to face with me to make up your mind of whether to befriend me or not? Jesus said love your enemies, do you agree with that, and based on such other teachings, could you be friends with Jesus?


Racism is an idea that most people strongly disagree with, so obviously that discounts racists as potential friends. Loving your enemies is an idea that people strongly agree with (assumption of course), but that doesn't automatically guarantee that a person holding that belief would be a good friend. There are other factors at play when deciding if someone is friend material. Just because a person is satisfactory with factor, that doesn't mean they would be satisfactory overall. On the other hand, if a person is horribly bad because of just one factor, then that can be a good reason to not be friends with him/her even without getting to know him entirely. There's a difference.

You're illusive as always my friend.

Anyways, I don't think loving your enemies is an ideal that everyone can accept, and even if one does accept it, can actually live it. I sure as hell don't love nearly all my enemies, but I still agree with Jesus teaching on the matter and do my best to follow it. I'm sure most people would agree with this teach but would find it extremelyy hard to put into practice.

Jesus' whole character involved similar teachings, from beginning to end, so I argue that all of Jesus was satisfactory, even to the extent that based on his teaching on everyday life and how to treat your fellow man, almost everyone could relate to him as a person worthy of being called a friend. All the "factors" that the Bible reveals about Jesus tells us that he would make a good friend.

What 1 or 2 main "factors" do you consider important for you to call someone a friend?



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