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Does Xbox Live deserve the criticism it gets in the forums?

Yes Xbox Live is a rip off 221 45.19%
 
No Xbox Live is the best ... 208 42.54%
 
No opinion / don't care 60 12.27%
 
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nnodley on 19 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Give Playstation fans an opportunity to piss and moan about Xbox Live and they'll always take it.

Even at $60 a year, Xbox Live is a very cheap entertainment expense. But so many people can't seem to do the math.

I'm sorry, but you don't make it any better with your obvious Playstation hate.  I understand some are genuinely just trying to bash Live, but it doesn't make it any better when you whine about those Playstation fans who shit on Live.  



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Mr Puggsly on 19 April 2013
VGKing said:
NotStan said:

Note the words "from my experience" I have had PS3 for about 3 months, other than the single player games, there really was nothing there. The multiplayer games that I have sampled were either desolate or took about 4 hours to patch, just to be put on the supposedly dedicated servers that Sony offer which still provided me with consistent DC's and lag. The UC2 multiplayer completely refused to start (Not even sure why), I found XBM clunky and annoying to use, god the worst bit probably had to be the patches, I must have burned through about 6GB worth of patches in 4 games. There is no cross-game chat, the store took a decade to load, all small quips but everything that I have noticed was a drastic comparison to something that Live offered at the time, in a much better fashion.

Granted the new dash is a pile of shit on Xbox, and the focus on the entertainment rather than gaming is lacksture, but end of the day, if I want to play FC3 while my friend plays Skyrim and another plays Minecraft, and we can still talk about the different elements/storyline/plot/events seeing as we do have similar gaming taste, I would much prefer that, and considering it only costs 10p a day just for that small luxury I don't mind paying it at all, I think you greatly underestimate the social element that Live provides, and without being a consistent user that has a significant amount of friends that play daily on there, you will continue to do so. Of course it's easier to judge something that you haven't used consistently or probably even experienced that much, just because it's easy to do so.

Really, majority of the people that seem to be anti-live are those who don't even have it, or even experienced it for a prolonged period of time.

I don't like the new direction Xbox is going in, but all I do is put the disk in, join a party with friends and chat, or go on cod, or some other multiplayer/single game that we can work on, so the "ads" which everyone keeps joking about have no significant effect on me whatsoever, or the supposedly wide range of entertainment apps on offer.

So basically cross game chat is the only reason you pay for Xbox Live. That's what I got from your post. Let me ask you this, when PS4 offers free online service, faster PSN Store and OPTIONAL premium features such as Cloud Services and best of all for you.......cross game chat....would you buy a PS4? 

(LOL at your 6GB of patches complaint though. Such an exagerration. If you bought some 360 games that are years old, I'm sure you'll encounter similar problems there as well. In the future, when comparing XBL to PSN, try using the same game and see if you notice any difference, because I don't)

$60 for 365 days of cross game chat. That's only about 17 cents a day plus he gets to play online games on his prefered platform! I wish my phone bill was that cheap!

No Xbox game has patches that big so quit making presumptions on things you don't know shit about. The patches are usually under 5-10MB. Sometimes they get near a 100MB. Borderlands 2 has one of the biggest patches I've ever seen at 250MB but that is just multiplayer compatibility content. When I played Resistance 3 around launch there was a 4GB patch. So there is no comparison.



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Griffin on 19 April 2013
Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:
Yes the "hate" is definitely justified. Microsoft led the way this gen with their online services and it looks like they are being left behind. Their online strategy is definitely anti-consumer. If I buy a $60 Call of Duty game, I expect to be able to play everything on the disc without any additional costs. These aren't unfair demands, we're not being greedy. There are plenty of free online services that match and even surpass XBL in some areas.


Call of Duty is a poor example if you plan on being anti-Xbox, considering how well the games actually sell on Xbox.

Call of Duty games sell more on the system where you have to play for online, rather than the system where the online is free. Why is this? Why does the consumer choose the 360 over the PS3 for Call of Duty? Why has this always been the case?

Actually. Online gaming. Its a well known fact that online gaming is far, far more popular on the 360. Why? If the online strategy is so anti-consumer, then why does the consumer flock to the service?

When i was checking online CoD players, the PS3 always had more online at the given time i was checking.  So if cod sells more on the 360 but more online players on the ps3, this would seem to indicate that the 360 cod players are not willing to pay to play online.



Goatseye on 19 April 2013
nnodley said:
Goatseye said:
-I watch football,basketball and European soccer leagues on HD.
-I find anime gems that I didn't know existed on Manga TV.
-I never play online and I pay $39.99 a year for that instead of buying Aliens: Colonial Marine, generic FPS and JRPG.

Instead of buying crappy games, dlc's and season passes, for 12 months I pay $3.33 for a service. I'm pretty sure I can hold off on buying a can of Red Bull a month to pay with the savings. And also the competition don't give out free games but they rent them while you're subscribed. I don't like that.

Don't come in here with this bullshit.  Yes, you have to pay $50 to play the games they give out free, but guess what the first two games I got from the instant game collection already added up to $60 and as of now I have downloaded almost $150-$200 worth of the games they give to us.  So, yeah everything I got after I had already fulfilled my $50 membership is free. And when my membership is expired I will pay another $50 which now adds to $100 of you didn't know and still half of the stuff I got from my first membership was free and I will likely keep increasing the amount I got free which in the long one will save be a boatload of cash.

That bullshit answer pisses me off as much as the hate for paying for Live pisses off people who like Live.   It's an endless circle of hate and bashing that really is the most childish thing I have ever read in my life.

*end effing rant*

OT: Of course most Sony fans will say it's not justified and MS fans will say it is.  The hate will never end from both sides.  I know to me I would want to have a little more incentive to pay for Live besides playing with friends.  I think MS can spare giving out MS points, discounts, exclusive trials/betas, FREE games, and anything else they could just to actually make the $60 for Live a little bit better.

Was this a correction to my bolded statement?  Then you didn't answer if the games Sony "give out" are really free or not. When the subscription ends do you still play the games they "give" to you?

You're getting worked up here for no reaseon boy sip one and untighten your butthole. This is grown folks chill spot, it's just opinions thats all, we're all gamers.

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Mr Puggsly on 19 April 2013
nnodley said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Give Playstation fans an opportunity to piss and moan about Xbox Live and they'll always take it.

Even at $60 a year, Xbox Live is a very cheap entertainment expense. But so many people can't seem to do the math.

I'm sorry, but you don't make it any better with your obvious Playstation hate.  I understand some are genuinely just trying to bash Live, but it doesn't make it any better when you whine about those Playstation fans who shit on Live.  

My Playstation hate? I actually own the hardware and play their exclusives. Many Sony fans are not doing that with Xbox.

I assure you I don't hate Playstation. Its easy to hate some of their fans though. They have whinest fanbase of all the consoles.



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nnodley on 19 April 2013
Goatseye said:
nnodley said:
Goatseye said:
-I watch football,basketball and European soccer leagues on HD.
-I find anime gems that I didn't know existed on Manga TV.
-I never play online and I pay $39.99 a year for that instead of buying Aliens: Colonial Marine, generic FPS and JRPG.

Instead of buying crappy games, dlc's and season passes, for 12 months I pay $3.33 for a service. I'm pretty sure I can hold off on buying a can of Red Bull a month to pay with the savings. And also the competition don't give out free games but they rent them while you're subscribed. I don't like that.

Don't come in here with this bullshit.  Yes, you have to pay $50 to play the games they give out free, but guess what the first two games I got from the instant game collection already added up to $60 and as of now I have downloaded almost $150-$200 worth of the games they give to us.  So, yeah everything I got after I had already fulfilled my $50 membership is free. And when my membership is expired I will pay another $50 which now adds to $100 of you didn't know and still half of the stuff I got from my first membership was free and I will likely keep increasing the amount I got free which in the long one will save be a boatload of cash.

That bullshit answer pisses me off as much as the hate for paying for Live pisses off people who like Live.   It's an endless circle of hate and bashing that really is the most childish thing I have ever read in my life. 

*end effing rant*

OT: Of course most Sony fans will say it's not justified and MS fans will say it is.  The hate will never end from both sides.  I know to me I would want to have a little more incentive to pay for Live besides playing with friends.  I think MS can spare giving out MS points, discounts, exclusive trials/betas, FREE games, and anything else they could just to actually make the $60 for Live a little bit better.

Was this a correction to my bolded statement?  Then you didn't answer if the games Sony "give out" are really free or not. When the subscription ends do you still play the games they "give" to you?

You're getting worked up here for no reaseon boy sip one and untighten your butthole. This is grown folks chill spot, it's just opinions thats all, we're all gamers.

 The second sentence of my post should be the answer your looking for.  Where I say "Yes, you do have to pay $50 to play the games they give out for free."  The rest is just an elaboration on the free games.

Ok, I may have went a little overboard, but it's late and I'm getting pissed at everything I read on the forum lately.  I'm off this thread and I'm not coming back.



Carl on 19 April 2013
Griffin said:

When i was checking online CoD players, the PS3 always had more online at the given time i was checking.  So if cod sells more on the 360 but more online players on the ps3, this would seem to indicate that the 360 cod players are not willing to pay to play online.


Go on then, show me the proof because I dont believe that for a second.

Show me the leaderboards. Show me how many people are in the leaderboards for each, as of right now.



                            

Goatseye on 19 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
hinch said:

I just wish people opened their eyes and looked before parting ways with their cash.

Is how people spend $60 a year really an issue? Is that anyone's biggest expense?

You should open your eyes and realize $60 a year to do online gaming on a prefered platform is not a big deal.


It's $39.99 for this guy. Never payed more than that. And that's $3.33 for 12 months.

How many stupid dlcs people buy a month? Pre-order games that are not even worth $30 for $60?

People that do not have Xbox 360 are more angry about Live than those who are enjoying it and finding reasons to comeback for more.

 

No matter what people will always hate



nnodley on 19 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
nnodley said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Give Playstation fans an opportunity to piss and moan about Xbox Live and they'll always take it.

Even at $60 a year, Xbox Live is a very cheap entertainment expense. But so many people can't seem to do the math.

I'm sorry, but you don't make it any better with your obvious Playstation hate.  I understand some are genuinely just trying to bash Live, but it doesn't make it any better when you whine about those Playstation fans who shit on Live.  

My Playstation hate? I actually own the hardware and play their exclusives. Many Sony fans are not doing that with Xbox.

I assure you I don't hate Playstation. Its easy to hate some of their fans though. They have whinest fanbase of all the consoles.

Ok I may have said that without knowing, but it sounds like you do everytime I read one of your post. Anyway my bad.  Don't kill me.

I can say the same about the Xbox fans.   I've seen some whiny people on the xbox side too.  Can't really judge the whole fanbase on a single forum.  I've read other forums too and it goes both ways.  I'm gonna tell you right now I don't own a 360, but I don't hate MS. Just putting my two cents in on the matter from what I've seen.  Anyway, whatever.  Peace out.



Zkuq on 19 April 2013

Steam is free and a great service and it manages it in an open environment where it has direct competition on the selling stuff side. Also, I've never seen an ad on Steam. XBL, on the other hand... Well, let's just say that I don't undestand at all how some think having to pay for XBL is acceptable when all other similar services do it for free.

What I can understand, though, is people saying $60 a year isn't a big deal, but you can you can really say that about anything. How about the privilege to make calls on your phone? That'll be $10 a year, thank you! (And yeah, I should have picked a better 'service' as an example but I'm in a rush right now.)