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Yes 160 41.99%
 
No 221 58.01%
 
Total:381

I could go on and list all the new IPs from Wii, DS, 3DS, WiiWare, 3DSWare but I really don't give a fuck anymore.



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DanneSandin said:
Lawlight said:
Jumpin said:
Lawlight said:
As I said before, their IPs are selling less these days.


Actually, for the most party their franchises have been selling more. Over the last 6 years Nintendo has seen more success than at any point in the past in terms of how high their franchises have been selling.

 

IPs whose sales are lower now than the previous gen:

Brain Age

Nintendogs

NSMB

Mario Kart

Luigi's Mansion

Paper Mario

Mario Tennis

You serious abou Luigi and Mario Kart???? You're totally wrong about Luigi, and Mario Kart is only selling less if you compare it to the Wii-iteration. Mario Kart 7 has sold more than 8m copies so far, on a 30m instal base. That's HUGE. You don't know what you're talking about.

Attach ratio for 1 franchise doesn't mean much when other games' sales are poor. Overall software sales on Nintendo systems have always been low. Now, this gen, it's going to be even lower given than their key franchises aren't as popular as the previous gen. 



veritaz said:
Nem said:

Piss off Gamespot. Nintendo is the only company with balls to give fans what they want.

What other company would have the balls to grab one of their iconic franchises and bring it back to the 16 bit era gameplay. We dont get big budget classic games like that anymore. The only company that tried that in recent memory was Ubisoft with Rayman Origins.
Software developers should be more like Nintendo. This senseless hating needs to stop. Not all of us want every franchise ever revived has an FPS for next-gen consoles. Enough already.


Isn't taking that iconic franchise and bringing it back to the 16 bit era gameplay exactly match what is said? Failure to innovate and relying on nostalgia. Not that it's bad mind you, i will be picking up the game day 1 but your reasoning confused me especially having the balls to that when it's the complete opposite by playing it safe. 


It would be playing it safe 20 years ago. Nowadays, its a risk. Also theres plenty of innovation on the new zelda with the 3D effect, its much more than it used to be. Nintendo throws a new spin on every new iteration of a classic game. They constantly try new things and their hardware themselves bring these new spins. I can agree with the lack of innovation at all. Lack of new IP's sure, but lack of innovation... no.



I don't trust gamespot anyway. But I can agree on that nintendo needs new IP's, but that doesn't mean that they have to stop making Zelda.



Lawlight said:
DanneSandin said:
Lawlight said:
Jumpin said:
Lawlight said:
As I said before, their IPs are selling less these days.


Actually, for the most party their franchises have been selling more. Over the last 6 years Nintendo has seen more success than at any point in the past in terms of how high their franchises have been selling.

 

IPs whose sales are lower now than the previous gen:

Brain Age

Nintendogs

NSMB

Mario Kart

Luigi's Mansion

Paper Mario

Mario Tennis

You serious abou Luigi and Mario Kart???? You're totally wrong about Luigi, and Mario Kart is only selling less if you compare it to the Wii-iteration. Mario Kart 7 has sold more than 8m copies so far, on a 30m instal base. That's HUGE. You don't know what you're talking about.

Attach ratio for 1 franchise doesn't mean much when other games' sales are poor. Overall software sales on Nintendo systems have always been low. Now, this gen, it's going to be even lower given than their key franchises aren't as popular as the previous gen. 

I actually think that GC had the second highest attach ratio on any console ever, so I wouldnt say that the software sales alwahs been low...



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DanneSandin said:
Lawlight said:
DanneSandin said:
Lawlight said:
Jumpin said:
Lawlight said:
As I said before, their IPs are selling less these days.


Actually, for the most party their franchises have been selling more. Over the last 6 years Nintendo has seen more success than at any point in the past in terms of how high their franchises have been selling.

 

IPs whose sales are lower now than the previous gen:

Brain Age

Nintendogs

NSMB

Mario Kart

Luigi's Mansion

Paper Mario

Mario Tennis

You serious abou Luigi and Mario Kart???? You're totally wrong about Luigi, and Mario Kart is only selling less if you compare it to the Wii-iteration. Mario Kart 7 has sold more than 8m copies so far, on a 30m instal base. That's HUGE. You don't know what you're talking about.

Attach ratio for 1 franchise doesn't mean much when other games' sales are poor. Overall software sales on Nintendo systems have always been low. Now, this gen, it's going to be even lower given than their key franchises aren't as popular as the previous gen. 

I actually think that GC had the second highest attach ratio on any console ever, so I wouldnt say that the software sales alwahs been low...


A system can have an attach ratio of 20 but software sales are still low if it only sold 20M units of software.



NightDragon83 said:
Mr Khan said:

If it were that easy to "take advantage" of the poor casual gamer, don't you think Sega or Capcom would have tried making those games retail games?

They have in some cases... Capcom tried with SF4 and MvC3, but received a backlash from many fans both times because they felt they were being ripped off content-wise.  Long-time companies like Capcom and SEGA definitely would if they could, but unlike Nintendo, they don't have their own console where they can push their own titles with little to no competition.  It's much harder to price an 8-16bit style game like 2D Mario n Sonic or similar titles at $50-$60 when it's going up against the likes of Halo, COD, God Of War, MGS, GTA, Skyrim, etc.  Then they would start selling closer to Rayman Origins numbers... great throwback platformer with amazing visuals, but most gamers didn't see enough value to fork over $60 for it.

So you are suggesting Nintendo games only sell as much as they do because nobody bothers to put the major third party games on the platform?

And why does a game with an old gameplay style automatically equate to a lack of content? Old fighting games are not old platformers.



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Lawlight said:
DanneSandin said:
Lawlight said:
DanneSandin said:
Lawlight said:
Jumpin said:
Lawlight said:
As I said before, their IPs are selling less these days.


Actually, for the most party their franchises have been selling more. Over the last 6 years Nintendo has seen more success than at any point in the past in terms of how high their franchises have been selling.

 

IPs whose sales are lower now than the previous gen:

Brain Age

Nintendogs

NSMB

Mario Kart

Luigi's Mansion

Paper Mario

Mario Tennis

You serious abou Luigi and Mario Kart???? You're totally wrong about Luigi, and Mario Kart is only selling less if you compare it to the Wii-iteration. Mario Kart 7 has sold more than 8m copies so far, on a 30m instal base. That's HUGE. You don't know what you're talking about.

Attach ratio for 1 franchise doesn't mean much when other games' sales are poor. Overall software sales on Nintendo systems have always been low. Now, this gen, it's going to be even lower given than their key franchises aren't as popular as the previous gen. 

I actually think that GC had the second highest attach ratio on any console ever, so I wouldnt say that the software sales alwahs been low...


A system can have an attach ratio of 20 but software sales are still low if it only sold 20M units of software.

It doesn't really matter if Nintendo software are low if they sell like Mario Kart Wii...



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nem said:

Piss off Gamespot. Nintendo is the only company with balls to give fans what they want.

What other company would have the balls to grab one of their iconic franchises and bring it back to the 16 bit era gameplay. We dont get big budget classic games like that anymore. The only company that tried that in recent memory was Ubisoft with Rayman Origins.
Software developers should be more like Nintendo. This senseless hating needs to stop. Not all of us want every franchise ever revived has an FPS for next-gen consoles. Enough already.


Rephrase that...Nintendo doesn't give the fans what they want, you just so happen to like what they deliver, plain and simple. I grew out of Nintendo, so speak for yourself. Nintendo has an old fashioned stance that you market new games around the same old characters in a spin dry fashion. No new characters, just nostalgia for days. They are there for you in childhood, but they dont follow you into adulthood with their offerings. Most Nintendo fans like the product so they stick with it because they know its never going to change and thats comforting. To gamers like me, change is a good thing and sometimes franchises must go for new ones to be invented and set a newer standard. Nintendo is after the newer generation of gamers. If I was the age I was when I got my first Nintendo console I would be going gaga over it as well. 

Enjoy Nintenod products, but to say they give the fans what they want is definitely a strong opinion I am willing to dispute. Nintendo is an old fashioned company that does what Nintendo wants.

P.S.

Nintendo die hards can refute what is true, remember this. At one point in time a great portion of people here were Nintendo fans and grew up with Nintendo. Theres a reason we grew out of it. I completely agree with Gamespot. Theres is something wrong with Nintendos broad outlook when it comes to dedicated gamers outside of their first party and for the growing serious gamers in their first party. 

Why "grow out"(such a shitty term to use in this case TBH, growing older or out of something never makes a man wiser, just more stubborn) of something when you can have it all? :P I literally didn't go back to "owning" a Nintendo console until the Wii after the NES LOL, so I guess I grew inwards? Like WTF does that even mean? ^_^; At the same time I game on other platforms as well, gotta keep your options open to enjoy the good games, or have friends that have them I suppose hehe.



...moving on