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Mythmaker1 said:

You're not wrong, but I made sure to qualify my reasoning with "passing knowledge with Wii accessories and a working brain. " Afterall, the kind of person who knows nothing about Wii accessories is probably not the kind of Wii owner who is going to run out and buy a Wii U regardless. And only a very uninformed consumer (in general, not just with regards to video games) would think that a $100 console would have a $350 accessory.

The casual market is not well-informed, but it isn't dumb either. The kind of people who might be confused by this are the kind of people who are unlikely to buy the console in the first place.

I'm not saying the casual market is dumb, but uniformed and it yeilds the same results. If they don't know about the product or think it is something else then it won't sell. It's the informed ones, the savvy consumer, the core gamer and Nintendo fans that are buying the Wii U. That is not enough to sell a large number of Wii U's. Nintendo more than likely reduced its appeal to core gamers with the Wii and is repeating that trend with the Wii U, despite their attempt otherwise. Their system is low powered to what their competition will be offering and is only slightly more powered than the PS3 and 360. The disparity in the last gen caused 3rd party support issues. All of this caused a portion of the core market to avoid Nintendo. Loyaltists aside, a decent chunk of core gamers are hesitant about the Wii U. That mixed with a bad attempt to market to casual consumers results in low sales. In some regards the Vita is having similar issues addressing itself to the market.



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Does this confusion of Wii U being a Wii accessory happen in the US? Because this is certainly not the issue in Europe. I don't think anyone thinks this. Although I don't know about Japan or US, culture is different in those places, people might not research things there.



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Mythmaker1 said:
JoeTheBro said:

Mythmaker1 said:

Perhaps. At the same time, I ask whether someone who has "moved on from the Wii" would consider the sequel that interesting. Some might, but I don't see it as sort of a broad reaction.


Um no. We moved on from the wii because motion control sucked and Nintendo stopped making games for it a few years ago. How the heck would that translate to not finding the next gen system interesting?


Do you think that is a broad reaction? That the majority of the people who bought the Wii thought motion controls sucked and played the console solely for Nintendo exclusives?

You, and others like you, would probably be interested, but how many people savvy enough with video games to be interested in a next-gen system do you think would be misinformed in such a way?

Yes it is a broad reaction and yes they played it for Nintendo exclusives. 44% of all game sales for Wii were from Nintendo games. That's a huge percentage.

I can remember when the GBA was being launched. I was this stupid little kid that knew nothing about games yet I was like "mom I need it!" Ended up getting it pretty much at launch. When the DS came around it was the same way. I knew absolutely nothing about anything yet I was like "mom I need it!" I can honestly say I don't even remember knowing a thing about the PS3 launch but do you know what I do remember? Watching a little disc advertizement for the Wii and saying "mom I need it!" I got my wii the day it came out. Granted this story shows my love for Nintendo, but it also shows how non video game savvy stupid people can be interested in the next-gen. You'd be surprised how small the "hardcore" market is.



Chark said:

I'm not saying the casual market is dumb, but uniformed and it yeilds the same results. If they don't know about the product or think it is something else then it won't sell. It's the informed ones, the savvy consumer, the core gamer and Nintendo fans that are buying the Wii U. That is not enough to sell a large number of Wii U's. Nintendo more than likely reduced its appeal to core gamers with the Wii and is repeating that trend with the Wii U, despite their attempt otherwise. Their system is low powered to what their competition will be offering and is only slightly more powered than the PS3 and 360. The disparity in the last gen caused 3rd party support issues. All of this caused a portion of the core market to avoid Nintendo. Loyaltists aside, a decent chunk of core gamers are hesitant about the Wii U. That mixed with a bad attempt to market to casual consumers results in low sales. In some regards the Vita is having similar issues addressing itself to the market.

It is uninformed, certainly, but not uninformed enough to result in the outcome you're suggesting. The only way for a consumer to know enough about the Wii U to confuse it for a Nintendo accessory, and yet remain ignorant of its actual nature, would be that they were so averse to the idea of a touchscreen for their Nintendo system that it wouldn't matter.

No reasonable person could mistake a Wii U for a Wii accessory if they went to a store to buy one; if the front of the box didn't tip you off, the back of the box sure would. And that's assuming you went to the store blindly, without bother to look  up anything about this device you presumably heard about erroneously from word-of-mouth.

So what sort of person would know enough about the Wii U to think it's a peripheral for the Wii system that they presumably already own, have no interest in a touchscreen controller for that system, and yet still want a Wii U? "Touchscreen gaming on a Nintendo console? I'm completely uninterested unless it's in HD."



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True story... I went over a buddy's house a couple weeks ago, hadn't been over his place in quite awhile. In his living room he's got 55" HDTV mounted over an entertainment center which housed, among other things, a PS2, a 360, a PS3, and what I thought was just a regular white Wii at first glance laying flat on top of the PS2. I asked him what new games he got recently, and he showed me some on his shelf, a couple PS360 games, and then NSMBU. I'm like, "Wait, you have a Wii U??" He's like yeah, it's sitting right there, didn't you see it? I was like no, I thought that was your old Wii!

Seriously, it's bad enough Nintendo confused consumers just by tacking on a "U" at the end, but when you make a new system that looks almost exactly like your old one, it's no wonder people are confused about the damn thing!



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You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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Personally I don't see how people could get the two mixed up. It CLEARLY shows the Wii u console on the box and it says Wii u on the console. Plus in the Lego city TV commercial, it shows the game, gamepad and the actual CONSOLE. Also, why would an "add-on" cost $349 when the console costs around $100 now? I just think its customer stupidity/ lack of common sense.



JoeTheBro said:

Yes it is a broad reaction and yes they played it for Nintendo exclusives. 44% of all game sales for Wii were from Nintendo games. That's a huge percentage.

I can remember when the GBA was being launched. I was this stupid little kid that knew nothing about games yet I was like "mom I need it!" Ended up getting it pretty much at launch. When the DS came around it was the same way. I knew absolutely nothing about anything yet I was like "mom I need it!" I can honestly say I don't even remember knowing a thing about the PS3 launch but do you know what I do remember? Watching a little disc advertizement for the Wii and saying "mom I need it!" I got my wii the day it came out. Granted this story shows my love for Nintendo, but it also shows how non video game savvy stupid people can be interested in the next-gen. You'd be surprised how small the "hardcore" market is.

Less than 34%, actually, if you don't count the games that no one actually paid for (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Link's Crossbow Training, etc.). So twice as many actual sales of Non-nintendo games as Nintendo games.

And wow. My parents would have kicked my butt if I'd asked them for that much stuff. Trust me, I know; not everyone gets a new video game system every other year. And with respect, the paradigm from 5-10 years ago is very different from what it is today.



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Yeah, the problem is is that Nintendo isn't leading the fore front on their own console. They are relying on Monster Hunter and Lego City. Those are great titles don't get me wrong I could monster hunt all freakin' day but what Nintendo needs are the big 4. 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Zelda. Ever since Nintendo 64 those 4 games have created hype for the corresponding hardware. So once again, wait until E3. I really want the new Mario Kart to be named Mario Kart Ultra.



Mythmaker1 said:
VGKing said:
sethnintendo said:
Problem is they haven't released the next Smash and Mario Kart for it yet.

Because those titles worked wonders for the Gamecube......

While its true that Wii U needs games, it needs new IP. Another Mario or another Smash Bros isn't going to be the killer app people are hoping for. The Gamecube is proof of that. It also needs a price cut but that didn't work that well for Gamecube either. But considering the year headstart Nintendo has, it could make a difference.


In fairness, the Gamecube came out more than 11 years ago.  A lot can, and has, changed since then. 

Not much has changed within Nintendo though.They got lucky with the Wii and now they're trying to replicate that but it isn't working.



Nah, I still stand by the it is basically the same as the 360 and PS3. It is currently only something the  "own every console guys," or Nintendo faithful want. The numbers of people that fit this category is small compared to the overall console owning population. Pachter makes a lot of good points about the console. It is many years too late.