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Forums - Politics - Real or not, Jesus is the most influencial Human in history! If you deny that you are lying to yourself-

 

Most influencial?

Obama 10 3.82%
 
Greg Johnson 2 0.76%
 
Elvis 6 2.29%
 
Karl Marx 12 4.58%
 
Benji Franklin 5 1.91%
 
Jesus 140 53.44%
 
Shakespear 6 2.29%
 
Mel Gibson 11 4.20%
 
Islam God, do not want to... 25 9.54%
 
Other ( Post below fake internet friends!) 43 16.41%
 
Total:260
Max King of the Wild on 10 April 2013
JakDaSnack said:
Max King of the Wild said:
chriscox1121 said:
dsgrue3 said:
chriscox1121 said:

what documents are you referring to?

You want me to list all of the documents from the very first one ever discovered up until 30 AD?

I won't be doing that for obvious reasons.


I want you to list the documents that you think should have written about a man (Jesus) who existed in Palestine during the time of Jesus.

I wouldn't waste my time on him. He has also claimed there is no evidence that planes were involved in pentagon attacks in 9-11 and ignores even truther sites that admit it was a plane that hit the pentagon with tons of photos. He also claims there is no pictures of charred remains at the site because he refuses to do research (quick google search) of the photos released during the terrorists trial

oh wow, really?  That explains a lot lol

Yup, got banned for it because I called him a sick fuck because he was unwilling to google search the charred remains and instead demanded I do the work and go through the photos to send it to him. I just went back and re-read the thread just to make sure.

So seriously, I'd reccomend just stop responding to him. He makes unsubstantiated claims like "every Roman believed in Zeus (Not even a Roman god lol) when that is so far from the truth. Romans were tolerant to many religions hence Jews and Romans getting along.

If you want to keep responding to him I wont stop you but I would highly reccomend it. This is the last I will say on that



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Max King of the Wild on 10 April 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
The most influencial? Maybe. Most famous person in history? Without a doubt.

I think it depends on the person how much influence Jezus hade on their lives. For me a lot of people have made a bigger impact on my life: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shigeru Miyamoto, Michael Schumacher and even people like Adolf Hitler have influenced me much more than Jezus, being in a good or bad way.

But if we really looking at a person's personal life, their parents, brothers, sisters or partners will probably have hade a bigger influence.

Jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life which is the point. Directly maybe someone has a bigger impact for you but indirectly there is no debate who is the most influential person



JakDaSnack on 10 April 2013
dsgrue3 said:
chriscox1121 said:
dsgrue3 said:

How many times are you going to quote the same post and pose questions? Bit ridiculous.

Anyway, it isn't my job to do your research. I'll issue the same challenge to you as I have every other person in this thread - provide one example of contemporary evidence for Jesus. Just one will suffice. 

I'm trying to understand your logic.  The question is rhetorical.  

Ah. Well say what you mean then if you wish to accomplish something specific. In this case, yes I would expect contemporary evidence as the means to justify this particular claim. Certainly not all claims can be confined as such, but this one requires witnesses and such. None of these witnesses wrote of the event. That I find to be quite amazing. 

JakDaSnack said:

HAHAHAHA, wow, I really thought you had me there, but his is what you said

"Back in Roman times no one disagreed that Zeus existed. Your argument is stupid."

where in that sentence does it say "romans believed that zeus existed" it doesn't, you said "roman times" meaning that everyone during that time period belived that Zeus existed.  

haha, anyways, I never ever said I would try and provide contemporary evidence, you assumed that was what I was doing.

I completely agree that there is no contemporary evidence, but what I don't agree with is that there "should" be, or that the evidence that their is, DOESNT prove the existence of Jesus.

Remember, Jesus was a carpenter, how many ordinary carpenters were recorded in history?  The only time period that anythign would have been recorded was during his 3 year ministry, now tell me, do the research, find out "who" should have recorded anything, and if you do this, then we can continue.

 

What does Roman times mean to you in regards to theism? ROMAN GODS. I don't care to debate semantics.

I didn't assume anything. I simply challenged you to do so, which you failed to do. No contemporary evidence, no proof. Simple. Issuing a challenge after you've lost a debate is pure lunacy. I think we have completed this discussion.

 

That my friend, is the definition of Arrogance.

you are right, we are done here, good day.



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Mazty on 10 April 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
AnthonyW86 said:
The most influencial? Maybe. Most famous person in history? Without a doubt.

I think it depends on the person how much influence Jezus hade on their lives. For me a lot of people have made a bigger impact on my life: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shigeru Miyamoto, Michael Schumacher and even people like Adolf Hitler have influenced me much more than Jezus, being in a good or bad way.

But if we really looking at a person's personal life, their parents, brothers, sisters or partners will probably have hade a bigger influence.

Jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life which is the point. Directly maybe someone has a bigger impact for you but indirectly there is no debate who is the most influential person

The false assumption you make is that what we regard as the words of Jesus are actually that, when in fact most historians will say that the Bible is comprised of stories decades and centuries after, and theologians will tell you that the Bible is grossly misinterpreted. 

Jesus didn't have an impact on Hitler - the Church did. Big difference. 



Max King of the Wild on 10 April 2013
Mazty said:
Max King of the Wild said:
AnthonyW86 said:
The most influencial? Maybe. Most famous person in history? Without a doubt.

I think it depends on the person how much influence Jezus hade on their lives. For me a lot of people have made a bigger impact on my life: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shigeru Miyamoto, Michael Schumacher and even people like Adolf Hitler have influenced me much more than Jezus, being in a good or bad way.

But if we really looking at a person's personal life, their parents, brothers, sisters or partners will probably have hade a bigger influence.

Jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life which is the point. Directly maybe someone has a bigger impact for you but indirectly there is no debate who is the most influential person

The false assumption you make is that what we regard as the words of Jesus are actually that, when in fact most historians will say that the Bible is comprised of stories decades and centuries after, and theologians will tell you that the Bible is grossly misinterpreted. 

Jesus didn't have an impact on Hitler - the Church did. Big difference. 

There is no false assumption on my end.



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jalidi on 10 April 2013

Got to this thread quite late, but I think I would've said Augustus Caesar.

Without him, there's no Western civilization as we know it, since he's the one who miraculously patched together a collapsing Roman Republic into the foundation of a state which existed in some form thereafter for nearly 1500 years. Long enough to profoundly affect language, laws, and customs for over a billion people living today, though in those days they had a third of the world's population living within Roman territory.

The Empire provided the medium through which something like Christianity could propagate, at first secretly, but then openly after the ascension of Constantine. Without a roman empire to crucify Jesus, we don't even have a cross.



Mazty on 10 April 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Mazty said:
Max King of the Wild said:
AnthonyW86 said:
The most influencial? Maybe. Most famous person in history? Without a doubt.

I think it depends on the person how much influence Jezus hade on their lives. For me a lot of people have made a bigger impact on my life: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shigeru Miyamoto, Michael Schumacher and even people like Adolf Hitler have influenced me much more than Jezus, being in a good or bad way.

But if we really looking at a person's personal life, their parents, brothers, sisters or partners will probably have hade a bigger influence.

Jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life which is the point. Directly maybe someone has a bigger impact for you but indirectly there is no debate who is the most influential person

The false assumption you make is that what we regard as the words of Jesus are actually that, when in fact most historians will say that the Bible is comprised of stories decades and centuries after, and theologians will tell you that the Bible is grossly misinterpreted. 

Jesus didn't have an impact on Hitler - the Church did. Big difference. 

There is no false assumption on my end.

Yes there is. Let me repeat myself (are you religious by any chance?)

"jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life "

The false assumption you make is that what was spoken by a man named Jesus ~2000 years ago was correctly recorded into the Bible. For all we know Jesus may have meant one thing, and by the time the New Testament was written, his message may have been distorted, ergo Jesus did not influence Hitler, but whoever distorted the original message influenced Hitler. Following?
Then mix in what historians know about the Bible, and what Theologians know about Christianity (e.g. Hell isn't some magical place, but it was a reference to a shit hole outside of Jerusalem) and it becomes more and more clear that whatever the original message is, it hasn't been repeated in churches for centuries.
Understand?



Slimebeast on 10 April 2013
Mazty said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Mazty said:
Max King of the Wild said:
AnthonyW86 said:
The most influencial? Maybe. Most famous person in history? Without a doubt.

I think it depends on the person how much influence Jezus hade on their lives. For me a lot of people have made a bigger impact on my life: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shigeru Miyamoto, Michael Schumacher and even people like Adolf Hitler have influenced me much more than Jezus, being in a good or bad way.

But if we really looking at a person's personal life, their parents, brothers, sisters or partners will probably have hade a bigger influence.

Jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life which is the point. Directly maybe someone has a bigger impact for you but indirectly there is no debate who is the most influential person

The false assumption you make is that what we regard as the words of Jesus are actually that, when in fact most historians will say that the Bible is comprised of stories decades and centuries after, and theologians will tell you that the Bible is grossly misinterpreted. 

Jesus didn't have an impact on Hitler - the Church did. Big difference. 

There is no false assumption on my end.

Yes there is. Let me repeat myself (are you religious by any chance?)

"jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life "

The false assumption you make is that what was spoken by a man named Jesus ~2000 years ago was correctly recorded into the Bible. For all we know Jesus may have meant one thing, and by the time the New Testament was written, his message may have been distorted, ergo Jesus did not influence Hitler, but whoever distorted the original message influenced Hitler. Following?
Then mix in what historians know about the Bible, and what Theologians know about Christianity (e.g. Hell isn't some magical place, but it was a reference to a shit hole outside of Jerusalem) and it becomes more and more clear that whatever the original message is, it hasn't been repeated in churches for centuries.
Understand?

lol don't make a fool out of yourself.

Hell (Gehenna) was a reference to a shit hole outside of Jerusalem? Ever heard of symbolic speech and allegories?



Mazty on 10 April 2013
Slimebeast said:
Mazty said:

Yes there is. Let me repeat myself (are you religious by any chance?)

"jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life "

The false assumption you make is that what was spoken by a man named Jesus ~2000 years ago was correctly recorded into the Bible. For all we know Jesus may have meant one thing, and by the time the New Testament was written, his message may have been distorted, ergo Jesus did not influence Hitler, but whoever distorted the original message influenced Hitler. Following?
Then mix in what historians know about the Bible, and what Theologians know about Christianity (e.g. Hell isn't some magical place, but it was a reference to a shit hole outside of Jerusalem) and it becomes more and more clear that whatever the original message is, it hasn't been repeated in churches for centuries.
Understand?

lol don't make a fool out of yourself.

Hell (Gehenna) was a reference to a shit hole outside of Jerusalem? Ever heard of symbolic speech and allegories?


Thanks for proving me right....? As I said, Hell wasn't some transendental place you went to when you died, but was in reference to an actual place. It's no different to saying to someone now "Don't be like that otherwise you'll end up a crack fiend in the ghetto", but the church translated it into "don't do that or when you die (lolwut?) you'll go to a place of fire and brimstone". Erm k...



AnthonyW86 on 10 April 2013
Slimebeast said:
Mazty said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Mazty said:
Max King of the Wild said:
AnthonyW86 said:
The most influencial? Maybe. Most famous person in history? Without a doubt.

I think it depends on the person how much influence Jezus hade on their lives. For me a lot of people have made a bigger impact on my life: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shigeru Miyamoto, Michael Schumacher and even people like Adolf Hitler have influenced me much more than Jezus, being in a good or bad way.

But if we really looking at a person's personal life, their parents, brothers, sisters or partners will probably have hade a bigger influence.

Jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life which is the point. Directly maybe someone has a bigger impact for you but indirectly there is no debate who is the most influential person

The false assumption you make is that what we regard as the words of Jesus are actually that, when in fact most historians will say that the Bible is comprised of stories decades and centuries after, and theologians will tell you that the Bible is grossly misinterpreted. 

Jesus didn't have an impact on Hitler - the Church did. Big difference. 

There is no false assumption on my end.

Yes there is. Let me repeat myself (are you religious by any chance?)

"jesus had a huge impact on Hitlers life "

The false assumption you make is that what was spoken by a man named Jesus ~2000 years ago was correctly recorded into the Bible. For all we know Jesus may have meant one thing, and by the time the New Testament was written, his message may have been distorted, ergo Jesus did not influence Hitler, but whoever distorted the original message influenced Hitler. Following?
Then mix in what historians know about the Bible, and what Theologians know about Christianity (e.g. Hell isn't some magical place, but it was a reference to a shit hole outside of Jerusalem) and it becomes more and more clear that whatever the original message is, it hasn't been repeated in churches for centuries.
Understand?

lol don't make a fool out of yourself.

Hell (Gehenna) was a reference to a shit hole outside of Jerusalem? Ever heard of symbolic speech and allegories?

Well true or not Jezus his story and other parts of the bible did play a large rol in choices that people like Hitler made, Max King is right about that.

For me though the question is will Jezus still play a big rol in the future? Or more importantly, did he result in anything constructive to the benefit of mankind, or the advancement of the world as we know it? To be honest, i can't think of one good thing Jezus or the Bible will have brought mankind if we look back at it in the future. And i think in the end that that's what truly defines someones influence.