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richardhutnik on 08 April 2013
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
Why would I switch to Sony? If that were to happen, Sony should have something of interest to me and it just does not seem to happen. Ms all the way.

Are there ZERO multiplatform titles of interest to you?  Reality is, if Microsoft is going to be a jerk, and the PS4 gets multiplatform stuff you also want to play, then it makes sense to switch to Sony.  That is, unless you don't mind what I describe and can list exclusives to the Microsoft platform that are of interest to you.  It is a matter of where you play multiplatform stuff.


Why would it make sense to switch over if the other party does not offer anything new and interesting? I don't see Sony making their controller usable ever and MS being a software company shows with xbox UI. Personally I can't see a single reason to pick up Sony console instead of MS console.

So, you are buying the Microsoft console, even if doesn't allow used games, and also requires you to have a consistent Internet connection all the time, or your game will shut down?  You have ZERO interest in multiplatform titles?  Is it that, if things get so bad with the Microsoft side, you will give up gaming completely, instead of getting a Sony console?

I don't need used games. I have an internet connection, which has uptime of 3 years now. That does not matter, because I haven't seen a shred of evidence that "your game will shut down" if you are not connected.

Of course I play multiplatforms. I don't need a sony console to play them, right? I can buy a better product but I should not because you are mad about something which you really don't know anything about?

You apparently didn't see this, did you?

If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time–currently three minutes, if I remember correctly–the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started,” said one of the site’s sources. These people added that as of two weeks ago, this was how things stood  and, most likely, still stand.

 

That is game shutting down, and this thread is based on that being said.  As for "a better product" that is going to be wait and see.  As it is now, with the PS4 have 8 GB of RAM, it is looking like it will actually be the more superior consoe from specs.  But, of course you are free to rationalize your biases behind such words as "the experience".  So, if the PS4 is technically superior, and as easy to code for as the next XBox, and the next XBox has all these issues, and you still go with the next XBox, how does one not conclude either you are a Kinect fanatic or have a fetish attachment to the word "Microsoft"?




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richardhutnik on 08 April 2013
CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
CGI-Quality said:
MoHasanie said:
CGI-Quality said:
MB1025 said:
People need to understand it isn't about exclusives anymore. It is about the entire experience. If all your friends have an Xbox you will get an Xbox. You may buy both systems, but the majority will get what the rest of their friends get.

Exclusives will always matter. Without them, your "friends" wouldn't have a need to grab an Xbox over a PlayStation, and vice-versa. I know I bought both the PS3 and Xbox 360 because each system had their own features not available elsewhere (exclusive games being a huge factor).

Otherwise, you're saying Halo, Uncharted, Gears of War, and Gran Turismo shouldn't be exclusive games since they have no definitive pull, which would be nonsense.


It isn't just about exclusives. Some people maybe pick up the console for the Kinect 2.0 or maybe cause the Xbox may be cheaper than the PS4 or maybe even cause they want a new cable box. 

Kinect 2.0 would still be an exclusive feature. Then again, no where in my post did I say it was "just about exclusives".

Also, I think it's funny talking to Xbox people today, six years ago, it was "better than the PS3 BECAUSE of the exclusives".

I am surprised someone would end up talking about a console's interface as "the experience".  "The experience" is a rationalization for one's own biases because of a religious attachment to a brand name. or rationalizing what one's clique plays.  The idea here is to ask, exactly what do you need in order to put up with things that is arguably HORRIBLE for the consumer.  I asked about DIVX before.  Go look that one up.

It is about what is unique to a console ownership that would make you remain loyal.

If Kinect helped the 360, which it did, and wasn't available on the PS3, that would be an exclusive feature that pushed units. In business, that's what matters. Besides, since Kinect is "the fastest selling piece of hardware in history", why shouldn't it be brought up?

I was commenting more on the "exclusives don't matter" but it is about "the experience" that was said.  I was trying to say exclusiveness would matter.  Kinect would be worth discussing as far as exclusives, because it provided a unique play experience, and exclusive content.  There is no Dance Central on the PS3, for example.  There is Just Dance, but that, while in the same category, is a different animal.



Gugerface on 08 April 2013
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
Why would I switch to Sony? If that were to happen, Sony should have something of interest to me and it just does not seem to happen. Ms all the way.

Are there ZERO multiplatform titles of interest to you?  Reality is, if Microsoft is going to be a jerk, and the PS4 gets multiplatform stuff you also want to play, then it makes sense to switch to Sony.  That is, unless you don't mind what I describe and can list exclusives to the Microsoft platform that are of interest to you.  It is a matter of where you play multiplatform stuff.


Why would it make sense to switch over if the other party does not offer anything new and interesting? I don't see Sony making their controller usable ever and MS being a software company shows with xbox UI. Personally I can't see a single reason to pick up Sony console instead of MS console.

So, you are buying the Microsoft console, even if doesn't allow used games, and also requires you to have a consistent Internet connection all the time, or your game will shut down?  You have ZERO interest in multiplatform titles?  Is it that, if things get so bad with the Microsoft side, you will give up gaming completely, instead of getting a Sony console?

I don't need used games. I have an internet connection, which has uptime of 3 years now. That does not matter, because I haven't seen a shred of evidence that "your game will shut down" if you are not connected.

Of course I play multiplatforms. I don't need a sony console to play them, right? I can buy a better product but I should not because you are mad about something which you really don't know anything about?

You apparently didn't see this, did you?

If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time–currently three minutes, if I remember correctly–the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started,” said one of the site’s sources. These people added that as of two weeks ago, this was how things stood  and, most likely, still stand.

 

That is game shutting down, and this thread is based on that being said.  As for "a better product" that is going to be wait and see.  As it is now, with the PS4 have 8 GB of RAM, it is looking like it will actually be the more superior consoe from specs.  But, of course you are free to rationalize your biases behind such words as "the experience".  So, if the PS4 is technically superior, and as easy to code for as the next XBox, and the next XBox has all these issues, and you still go with the next XBox, how does one not conclude either you are a Kinect fanatic or have a fetish attachment to the word "Microsoft"?


Can you show me a link to xbox.com where it says that? I can accept major nelson too, if you can't find any solid information on xbox.com.

Also it would be quite nice to see those specs you talk about. Is there a link for their announcement?

You make those "issues" up for a console which has not even been announced. From my personal experience, Sony does not know how to make an usable UI for their consoles. Ms is much better on software and I am certain that nextbox will be even better than 360 on that front. Multiplatforms will be roughly the same. Do you remember when PS3 was supposed to be sooo much better than 360? The games just happened to be virtually identical.

So, if Sony wants my money they should improve a LOT. I don't see that happening, so I am sticking with what I see as quality product. Problem? #dealwithit



richardhutnik on 08 April 2013
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:
Why would I switch to Sony? If that were to happen, Sony should have something of interest to me and it just does not seem to happen. Ms all the way.

Are there ZERO multiplatform titles of interest to you?  Reality is, if Microsoft is going to be a jerk, and the PS4 gets multiplatform stuff you also want to play, then it makes sense to switch to Sony.  That is, unless you don't mind what I describe and can list exclusives to the Microsoft platform that are of interest to you.  It is a matter of where you play multiplatform stuff.


Why would it make sense to switch over if the other party does not offer anything new and interesting? I don't see Sony making their controller usable ever and MS being a software company shows with xbox UI. Personally I can't see a single reason to pick up Sony console instead of MS console.

So, you are buying the Microsoft console, even if doesn't allow used games, and also requires you to have a consistent Internet connection all the time, or your game will shut down?  You have ZERO interest in multiplatform titles?  Is it that, if things get so bad with the Microsoft side, you will give up gaming completely, instead of getting a Sony console?

I don't need used games. I have an internet connection, which has uptime of 3 years now. That does not matter, because I haven't seen a shred of evidence that "your game will shut down" if you are not connected.

Of course I play multiplatforms. I don't need a sony console to play them, right? I can buy a better product but I should not because you are mad about something which you really don't know anything about?

You apparently didn't see this, did you?

If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time–currently three minutes, if I remember correctly–the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started,” said one of the site’s sources. These people added that as of two weeks ago, this was how things stood  and, most likely, still stand.

 

That is game shutting down, and this thread is based on that being said.  As for "a better product" that is going to be wait and see.  As it is now, with the PS4 have 8 GB of RAM, it is looking like it will actually be the more superior consoe from specs.  But, of course you are free to rationalize your biases behind such words as "the experience".  So, if the PS4 is technically superior, and as easy to code for as the next XBox, and the next XBox has all these issues, and you still go with the next XBox, how does one not conclude either you are a Kinect fanatic or have a fetish attachment to the word "Microsoft"?


Can you show me a link to xbox.com where it says that? I can accept major nelson too, if you can't find any solid information on xbox.com.

Also it would be quite nice to see those specs you talk about. Is there a link for their announcement?

You make those "issues" up for a console which has not even been announced. From my personal experience, Sony does not know how to make an usable UI for their consoles. Ms is much better on software and I am certain that nextbox will be even better than 360 on that front. Multiplatforms will be roughly the same. Do you remember when PS3 was supposed to be sooo much better than 360? The games just happened to be virtually identical.

So, if Sony wants my money they should improve a LOT. I don't see that happening, so I am sticking with what I see as quality product. Problem? #dealwithit

How about quotes by a creative director at Microsoft?  "Deal with it" in response to always on.  This, and other material floating about makes it a distinct possibility.  As for yourself, you decided it doesn't matter, so why are you concerned about whether it had been said or not?  For you, even if Microsoft does announce it, you are going to buy one any way, so why are you concerned about my asking people IF the rumors are true, what exclusives would they have that would keep them sticking with Microsoft.  

You apparently show concern over features you don't care about being implemented for some reason.  Maybe you a concerned there IS a decent backlash by people that could cost your belived next Microsoft console at a shot at winning.  Maybe you can start an Orthy fan club, which tells people to relocate from places with bad Iinternet connectivity, and also has the motto: "Deal with it".



richardhutnik on 08 April 2013
CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
CGI-Quality said:

If Kinect helped the 360, which it did, and wasn't available on the PS3, that would be an exclusive feature that pushed units. In business, that's what matters. Besides, since Kinect is "the fastest selling piece of hardware in history", why shouldn't it be brought up?

I was commenting more on the "exclusives don't matter" but it is about "the experience" that was said.  I was trying to say exclusiveness would matter.  Kinect would be worth discussing as far as exclusives, because it provided a unique play experience, and exclusive content.  There is no Dance Central on the PS3, for example.  There is Just Dance, but that, while in the same category, is a different animal.

Ah, I see.

For an individual who sticks with a brand, despite it not showing any differences, and is worse in some way, is merely a partisan who has emotional attachment and gets an emotional buzz out of business moves.  So, I did want to see what might stand out as unique that would keep them coming back. "The experience" is such a vague comment, it doesn't say anything.  And also, the hardware alone doesn't really say anything, it is what can be done with it that matters.

With the other person I am dialogging with here, apparently the UI is SO important to them, they are going to stick with Microsoft, eventhough all we have seen is the tiles, which are on the 360.  Without even knowing what the UI will be, based only on a rationalization Microsoft knows how to code, they are sticking with Microsoft.  Try to press why, and you get partisan yammering.  Blech.

For me, my partisan campness to a large degree died when I went from an Atari 8bit compute and got a Commodore 64. 



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LiquorandGunFun on 08 April 2013

at this point it doesnt matter, M$ has basically solidified itself as being #2 for my purchases. Which means in about 2 years or so i will get one, the always online thing might delay it a year or so more depending the area i live in then and the internet access available.



 

arcane_chaos on 08 April 2013

the only way I'd get and "next box" with the included rumored "additions" would have to be an absolute plethora of JRPG's and even with that I wouldn't get one until it was dirt cheap...



Gugerface on 08 April 2013
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:


Can you show me a link to xbox.com where it says that? I can accept major nelson too, if you can't find any solid information on xbox.com.

Also it would be quite nice to see those specs you talk about. Is there a link for their announcement?

You make those "issues" up for a console which has not even been announced. From my personal experience, Sony does not know how to make an usable UI for their consoles. Ms is much better on software and I am certain that nextbox will be even better than 360 on that front. Multiplatforms will be roughly the same. Do you remember when PS3 was supposed to be sooo much better than 360? The games just happened to be virtually identical.

So, if Sony wants my money they should improve a LOT. I don't see that happening, so I am sticking with what I see as quality product. Problem? #dealwithit

How about quotes by a creative director at Microsoft?  "Deal with it" in response to always on.  This, and other material floating about makes it a distinct possibility.  As for yourself, you decided it doesn't matter, so why are you concerned about whether it had been said or not?  For you, even if Microsoft does announce it, you are going to buy one any way, so why are you concerned about my asking people IF the rumors are true, what exclusives would they have that would keep them sticking with Microsoft.  

You apparently show concern over features you don't care about being implemented for some reason.  Maybe you a concerned there IS a decent backlash by people that could cost your belived next Microsoft console at a shot at winning.  Maybe you can start an Orthy fan club, which tells people to relocate from places with bad Iinternet connectivity, and also has the motto: "Deal with it".

So no link, eh?

You are the one who seems very concerned for my personal preference. Did you miss that? #dealwithit



Michael-5 on 08 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Michael-5 said:
KingKazuma34 said:
None. Microsofts exclusives are not really that diverse enough for me. I guess its because my favorite types of games are jrpgs lol. But seriously Xbox 360 was a console that I thought would be where all the jrpgs would be on going by the beginning of this generation. I think after Final Fantasy 13 however was when they started to have a shift back to the ps3. It seems Sony has locked a lot of Japanese support for the PS4 also, so it seems that is what im going to get to go along with my pc, 3ds, and eventually a Wii U.

You realize Microsoft published more JRPG's for the 360 then Nintendo did for the Wii, and Sony did for the PS3 right?

PS3's exclusive JRPG's aren't Sony published games for the most part.

Sony and Nintendo dont have to self publish JRPG's because they know the Japanese market is focused on them. Microsoft technically would have to self publish in order to get exclusives or even timed exclusives. I am sure they paid for all of them or else they would've mostly been multiplat. I dont know whats going on with Sony and Mistwalker either, but Sony needs to gain a better relationship with them. Outside of that Sony had great third party JRPG support which has probably surpassed Microsoft at this point because Microsoft has to pay against demand. The Final Fantasy XIII issue with the 360 versions mostly being ignored in Japan was an issue. If Sony first party would focus on Japan they could see an increase from ten million consoles to fifteen or twenty million consoles next gen in Japan alone. That incremental change could be a great indicator of higher selling JRPG's.

Sony won't focus in Japan on home consoles, they will.....well they should, do that with the PSV. If you look at how much better the DS and PSP individually sold better then all the home consoles combined (Mind you, PSP only sold 84% as well as all home consoles combined in Japan), then you can see why Sony doesn't need to support the PS3/4 with JRPG exclusives. Besides, like you said, 3rd party's do more then enough for the PS3. PSV is loosing that support, and Sony needs to get it back.

Anyway, I was only commenting on "Microsofts exclusives are not really that diverse enough for me. I guess its because my favorite types of games are jrpgs lol."

However I think I mistook your statment for Microsoft as a publisher's exclusives, and not Microsoft as console manufacterer. I think I misread the OP on this too.

I don't think any Microsoft exclusive can garentee gamers will stick with the 360 because of how they pay for exclusives, and most of those paid for games, end up just being timed 360/PS3 or 360/PC exclusives. Microsoft needs to publish their own JRPG's (in our cases) to keep gamers interested. Halo has lived it's glory days.



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richardhutnik on 08 April 2013
Gugerface said:
richardhutnik said:
Gugerface said:


Can you show me a link to xbox.com where it says that? I can accept major nelson too, if you can't find any solid information on xbox.com.

Also it would be quite nice to see those specs you talk about. Is there a link for their announcement?

You make those "issues" up for a console which has not even been announced. From my personal experience, Sony does not know how to make an usable UI for their consoles. Ms is much better on software and I am certain that nextbox will be even better than 360 on that front. Multiplatforms will be roughly the same. Do you remember when PS3 was supposed to be sooo much better than 360? The games just happened to be virtually identical.

So, if Sony wants my money they should improve a LOT. I don't see that happening, so I am sticking with what I see as quality product. Problem? #dealwithit

How about quotes by a creative director at Microsoft?  "Deal with it" in response to always on.  This, and other material floating about makes it a distinct possibility.  As for yourself, you decided it doesn't matter, so why are you concerned about whether it had been said or not?  For you, even if Microsoft does announce it, you are going to buy one any way, so why are you concerned about my asking people IF the rumors are true, what exclusives would they have that would keep them sticking with Microsoft.  

You apparently show concern over features you don't care about being implemented for some reason.  Maybe you a concerned there IS a decent backlash by people that could cost your belived next Microsoft console at a shot at winning.  Maybe you can start an Orthy fan club, which tells people to relocate from places with bad Iinternet connectivity, and also has the motto: "Deal with it".

So no link, eh?

You are the one who seems very concerned for my personal preference. Did you miss that? #dealwithit

You know, I can't find quotes regarding Game Room either on Microsoft's website at this point.  Game Room must of vanished.  And heck, Major Nelson has his own URL, and it doesn't have Microsoft, so it mustn't be real either, based on your insistence on xbox.com being key. It is in the product catalog, but Microsoft buried it.  You won't find word of the 1000+ games for Game Room in 3 years on their site any longer, so they never promised anything like that, right?

As far as Orth goes:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/adam-orths-always-on-twitter-gaffe

And Microsoft did put up a press release, as per Major Nelson:

http://majornelson.com/2013/04/05/official-statement-on-what-was-said-yesterday/

They did not deny what was reported, and the rumors.  Note the info on the Durango SDK floating out there.  Microsoft's press release ends up pointing to the atttiude Orth showed, not what he said.  Just they haven't said anything at all.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/189959/Durangos_always_on_likelihood_irritates_players_and_devs_alike.php