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Ban/Regulate Junk Food?

YES, DO everything you can 15 18.07%
 
YES, but just tax it 6 7.23%
 
YES ban HFCS/Corn Fillers 4 4.82%
 
YES regulate HFCS/Corn Fillers 1 1.20%
 
YES remove the Corn Subsidy 5 6.02%
 
YES regulate salt content of food 2 2.41%
 
YES other reasons/combination of above 4 4.82%
 
Maybe, Unsure 2 2.41%
 
NO WAY!!!!! 39 46.99%
 
See Results 5 6.02%
 
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Michael-5 said:
JoeTheBro said:

You need better doctors. The concentration of salt in 12 oz can of coke is .13 PSS or .013%. For comparison the ocean averages around 32 PSS or 3.2% by weight. Obviously drinking from the ocean makes you thirsty. That's because the human body averages only 3 PSS or .3% salt by weight. The concentration of salt is 10 times greater in the ocean than in the body. Meanwhile a can of coke is only 4.3% of the concentration of salt in your body.

Conclusion: The salt in coke doesn't make you thirsty.

Sources for data:

http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/solutions/faq/salinity-and-molarity.shtml

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-03/985293756.Me.r.html

http://i5.minus.com/jn9DSAt37dsGN.jpg

(I really hope I didn't screw up with my calculations. That would be embarrassing ;0)

What the heck is a PSS?

I know pop has anywhere between 40-90mg of Na per 335ml (12 oz) can. You need 1,500mg of salt a day, so a pop can ranges from 2-4.5% of your salt intake. Salt-Water is 3.5% salt. Pop has anywhere from half to nearly one and a half times the salt of saltwater.

Can you live on saltwater? No.

Random google searches tell me that the Human salinity is 0.9%, meaning any liquid with more then 0.9% salt will make you thirstier.

PSS is grams of salt to kg of water. It's just a unit. Also do you even read what people are posting? The can of coke I used for my calculations was only .013% salt by mass compared to seawater which is around 3.2% That soda is not anywhere near even a tenth of the salt in sea water.



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You know what, why don't people just take personal responsibility for what they consume or allow their children to consume? How about that?

Instead of banning things at the top and taking away personal choice, we should be getting the message out that some of these products are harmful and ought to be avoided.

I would never support any kind of state ban on food or beverages. People need to take responsibility for what they're eating that's causing them to be fat, and people need to be better parents and only purchase healthy food and drinks for their children. We don't need to be told what to eat by the government.

Good Lord...



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JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:

What the heck is a PSS?

I know pop has anywhere between 40-90mg of Na per 335ml (12 oz) can. You need 1,500mg of salt a day, so a pop can ranges from 2-4.5% of your salt intake. Salt-Water is 3.5% salt. Pop has anywhere from half to nearly one and a half times the salt of saltwater.

Can you live on saltwater? No.

Random google searches tell me that the Human salinity is 0.9%, meaning any liquid with more then 0.9% salt will make you thirstier.

PSS is grams of salt to kg of water. It's just a unit. Also do you even read what people are posting? The can of coke I used for my calculations was only .013% salt by mass compared to seawater which is around 3.2% That soda is not anywhere near even a tenth of the salt in sea water.

Oh I see what I did wrong. Normally I'm good at math too.

Still, there is too much salt in pop, we shouldn't be getting 1/6th our daily salt intake from liquids alone. Meat and Cheese + junk food already has a lot of salt.



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In the United States junk food and fast food should be regulated, and by this I mean the government should tell companies what they can and can't put in food.



Kasz216 said:

If they didn't want to be obese... they wouldn't be... most people have the choice.  People do know what's healthy and what isn't.  All the nutrition facts are right on the food.  (or i suppose it's better to say, people would rather be obese then give up tasty junk food.)

As for Salt.... I have read up the effects of salt in your diet.

According to modern medical research... It has no sceintifically discernable effect.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-teitelbaum-md/salt-health_b_903673.html

It's not the first time most doctors end up behind the times because they stick to outdated preconcieved notions.

 

Also, World Factbook is a terrible source.  Something like OCED works better but still isn't perfect.

First, sorry for some bad typing, my keyboard sucks and doesn't always recognize when I press a button.

As for people being obese because they want to be, I doubt that's true. Why would there be so many diet programs in the world if that were true? Out of the few big people I know, I would blaime 2 things for their obesity. 1. Over-eating, just eating too many large meals. 2. Diet, Fat people like to eat a certain way. e.g. they want a pop and a burger every day.

As for those links, I've never heard of that before. I'll ask my co-workers/doctors what they think on Saturday. BTW One of your links does reference the 1,500mg recommendation of salt intake and says we don't need to be quite that low, but it doesn't say how much higher we should be at. 2,000mg is the recommendation on the nutrition labels, so all your articles definitely suggest is we should eat about that much, or a little more salt.

Still the recommendation by the American Heart Association, and other medical organizations is 1,500mg. Why is it still that? I'm betting you that the tradeoff for reduced stroke, heart attack, hypertension, kidney damage, osterporosis, and Stomach Cancer outweighs to gain in reduction of heart disease. While Heart disease is one of the more common causes of death in the USA, Stroke, Heart Attacks and Stomach Cancer outweight that by quite a bit.

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Anyway, the article you posted suggests that the average American eats 4,000mg of salt a day, and the worldwide I read is 9-12,000 mg a day. This is way above the recommended daily intake, so we still need to cut down the average salt intake.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20120521/Salt-intake-why-is-it-bad-for-you.aspx

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Also, I was thinking, if the pro of a high salt diet is only a reduction in heart disease, but it increases you chances of other things, then why not eat a low salt diet and run? Cardio Vascular exercises like jogging, riding a bike, or running are much more effective then a high salt diet at reducing heart disease.

So the cons outweigh the pros of a high salt diet, and you can get the same effects with exericise. I see no reason why you believe a high salt diet is healthy.

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Still, salt is one thing. Aren't USA and Mexico the world leaders of diabeties type 2 by population? What's wrong with regulating sugar content?

Same with saturated fat, 33% of Americans are Obese, and obese people just don't like as long as regular people. Regulate fat.

And HFCS, there is nothing good about HFCS, that should just be plain banned since your body doesn't recognize it as a sugar.



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NobleTeam360 said:
In the United States junk food and fast food should be regulated, and by this I mean the government should tell companies what they can and can't put in food.

Exactly!

BTW, Nice Avatar, where is that from?



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Michael-5 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
In the United States junk food and fast food should be regulated, and by this I mean the government should tell companies what they can and can't put in food.

Exactly!

BTW, Nice Avatar, where is that from?

Thanks, It's from Fire Emblem Awakening. 



NobleTeam360 said:
Michael-5 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
In the United States junk food and fast food should be regulated, and by this I mean the government should tell companies what they can and can't put in food.

Exactly!

BTW, Nice Avatar, where is that from?

Thanks, It's from Fire Emblem Awakening. 

Oh okay, it's looked Fire Emblem like.

I own that game, but I don't own a 3DS LOL. I want an XL, but I refuse to buy it in those terrible colours, and I'm willing to wait on a redesign with a better battery life.



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Kasz216 said:

People want to be obese.

That's just it. To pass laws to protect people from what they want is stupid...

Oh, come on. Do you want to be obese? No, of course you don't, because obesity has lots of disadvantages and very few (if any) advantages. So why should others? I at least have never met a single obese person who didn't prefer to be thinner.

Obesity is usually a kind of addiction, quite similar to drug (alcohol, cigarettes, illegal substances) addiction. (The term "fat smoker syndrome" even points in that direction) That's because oral stimulation is the most basic and reliable source of "joy" - no matter how depressing your life is and how shitty your day was, pizza, chips, getting drunk etc. will temporarily brighten your mood. Of course you'll feel even worse tomorrow, when the scale says that you've gained even more weight - but no reason to worry, as burgers, fries and sugary soft-drinks are already standing by to  quickly help you deal with that depressing moment as well. It's a vicious circle for the individual, but one with fantastic consequences for certain parts of the food industry.

So I believe obesity should generally be dealt with like other kinds of addictions. If taxing cigarettes is considered a good idea because it has a positive effect on cigarette addiction, then taxing unhealthy food or ingredients might be a good idea as well.