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Ban/Regulate Junk Food?

YES, DO everything you can 15 18.07%
 
YES, but just tax it 6 7.23%
 
YES ban HFCS/Corn Fillers 4 4.82%
 
YES regulate HFCS/Corn Fillers 1 1.20%
 
YES remove the Corn Subsidy 5 6.02%
 
YES regulate salt content of food 2 2.41%
 
YES other reasons/combination of above 4 4.82%
 
Maybe, Unsure 2 2.41%
 
NO WAY!!!!! 39 46.99%
 
See Results 5 6.02%
 
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JoeTheBro said:

It's as real as you and me and has been confirmed to have zero acute health effects. On the opposite side GM crops have the potential to save billions of lives in developing countries and increase health in the US. Anyway like 90% of corn and soy beans in the US are GM and corn and soy beans are in like 90% of products so it makes more sense to label non GM foods.

Interestingly enough I live in Boulder, Colorado. 99% of the populous are hippies and only eat locally grown organic all natural small business food.

I still don't want to touch the stuff though, i just think GM is a bad idea. And it may help the developing world, if the food was wasted so much in America or Europe. The world has enough food for 11 billion (huge surplus) and yet at least 1 billion are starving. Seems fair! With such a huge surplus, why do we need to modify it in the first place? It's fine as it is.  



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Ail said:

I'm fine with that but then charge obese people in relation to their weight..

Why should I pay the same price as someone weighing 100 pounds more than I for a plane ticket where clearly it costs more to fly them than me ? ( if my luggage is two pounds over the limit I get charged more but that 300 pounds dude pays the same price ?)

 

Anyway the real issue is healthcare and the fact that it costs more to keep an obese population healthy ( there's a reason the US has some of the highest healthcare costs on earth) and if nothing gets done at some point in the future private health insurances will charge you based on your diet..

Americans don't have a federal healthcare system. Well they do now, but it's very primitive. However for places like Canada and europe, this is a big point.

Also I agree with you, although it's kinda cruel, lol. I really really hate when people take up 2 seats on the subway, why don't they pay double fare?

Also to add to the reasons you mentioned, keeping people alive not only cost money, but has environment consequences. The amount of food an obese person eats is a lot more then a regular person, and food comes from somewhere. Generally big people eat a lot of red meat, and red meat has a larger carbon/energy cost on the world, since you have to feed and give water to the livestock before you eat it.

But naming reasons like this is a bit cruel.



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no the government cant just ban unhealthy foods. we have the right to eat whatever we want to eat and we have to decide whether we will eat healthy foods or not. this thread is ridiculos and is not needed on a sales site.



I actually prefer the classic coke formula from America, however the HFC doesn't go well with my body so I don't drink it.

The next best thing I found was Mexican Coke, it uses sugar.

Coke in Australia also uses real sugar, however they add too much gas, so you fill bloated, perhaps government regulated so you don't drink too many cans lol.



 

 

No, it's the parent's job to keep their kids healthy, not Uncle Sam's.

This is just another stupid tax/regulation that takes away freedom.



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the2real4mafol said:
JoeTheBro said:

It's as real as you and me and has been confirmed to have zero acute health effects. On the opposite side GM crops have the potential to save billions of lives in developing countries and increase health in the US. Anyway like 90% of corn and soy beans in the US are GM and corn and soy beans are in like 90% of products so it makes more sense to label non GM foods.

Interestingly enough I live in Boulder, Colorado. 99% of the populous are hippies and only eat locally grown organic all natural small business food.

I still don't want to touch the stuff though, i just think GM is a bad idea. And it may help the developing world, if the food was wasted so much in America or Europe. The world has enough food for 11 billion (huge surplus) and yet at least 1 billion are starving. Seems fair! With such a huge surplus, why do we need to modify it in the first place? It's fine as it is.  


Just cause we have more food in America it doesn't mean that food can/should magically appear in 3rd world countries. It's much smarter to just supply them with better crops so they can feed themselves. In addition GM crops can take care of things surplus food can't, such as vitamin deficiencies.



Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:

Nationmaster is a horrible site for government statistics.

The number one killer in Mexico?   Diabetes.

http://www.voxxi.com/mexico-diabetes-obesity-epidemic/

The reason Europe uses Beat Sugar... (And mexico uses sugar by the way, hence the popularity of "Mexican Coke") is because they don't have crazy corn subsidies like the US does.  Well that and a double whammy tax on sugar imports.


In the US it's cheaper to use HFC then it is Sugar.   Everywhere else in the world it's cheaper to use real sugar.  (Beat or Sugar Cane.)


HFC isn't banned in europe.  There is a production quota... but this was done for economic... not health reasons.

It's also why we use inferior Corn based ethanol when Sugar Cane Ethanol is cheaper and cleaner burning.

Yea, I realize that, I googled that real quick for verification. In the OP I used The World Factbook, it's a lot more accurate and stil Mexico is 7% below USA.

Yes you're right about HFC in Europe, it's not a band, a production quota, but it still forces people not to use it.

Anyway I agree with you, life the corn subsidy. I don't think we have one in Canada, so here we'd have to make regulations for HFC, but for USA I would do a bit of both.

Kasz216 said:

As for what i think about actual regulations and bans and such....

If the majority of society isn't responsible and is becoming obese....

People want to be obese.

That's just it. To pass laws to protect people from what they want is stupid... since what government is for is to make sure that people can pursue their goals without having to worry about others.

Force companies to list accurate health and calorie information sure... anything past that?  No.

Oh... as for salt...  Most modern studies actually tend to show salt isn't bad for you.  Just the stuff it's on is bad for you.  Or large increases of salt.  If you have an otherwise healthy hight salt diet... you should be fine.

I don't think people want to be obese. They might not want to be twigs, but some people like having a little meat on the bone. However obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30+, I think even larger people want a BMI between 25-30 (which is still overweight).

The point of passing laws to tax junk food isn't to prevent people from becoming obese when they don't have to. It's so that people can keep eating the foods they love without physical consequence. Maybe I'm being idealistic, but I bet most chips would taste roughly the same with 2/3rds as much fat, and less salt.

Putting salt in pop for example is something there should be a law against, you shouldn't be more thirsty after drinking.

As for salt...where the heck did you hear that? I have a few doctors in the family and I work at a Medical office, and everyone I work with actually suggests having a lower salt diet then the recommended 2g. There's actually a push from the Medical Association for those Nutritional stickers to indicate a lower salt value.

High salt in your diet means you need a lot of potassium to balance it (look up the sodium potassium pump, it's in your red blood cells). Without Potassium, your body flushes out the salt by making you drink and pee more. Tell me, if your body is trying to flush out the salt, then why is a high salt diet good for you?

All salt does is help increase your odds of heart attack and stroke at an older age because your arteries become more rigid, and unable to expand for the extra water needed to dilute your blood, and then you don't get enough oxygen/red blood cells to your brain/heart.

You need to read up on the consequences of salt in your diet.

Can you actually supply us with a valid source stating salt is added to pop to make consumers drink more pop? That's a pretty absurd claim...



Playstationfan12 said:
no the government cant just ban unhealthy foods. we have the right to eat whatever we want to eat and we have to decide whether we will eat healthy foods or not. this thread is ridiculos and is not needed on a sales site.
Marks said:
No, it's the parent's job to keep their kids healthy, not Uncle Sam's. 

This is just another stupid tax/regulation that takes away freedom.

I have to say, Americans sure think.....differently.

Yes individuals have the right to decide what they eat, but they should also have laws regulating fat/salt/sugar quantities in food so that people know it's safe.

In the case of pop, there shouldn't be salt in pop.... I'm not saying you should drink pop, I'm just saying pop should be better for you, we don't need corporations making us thirstier with pop.

I mean how is this any different then cigarettes? We heavily tax cigarettes because they are bad for you. So is junk food.



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the2real4mafol said:
JoeTheBro said:

It's as real as you and me and has been confirmed to have zero acute health effects. On the opposite side GM crops have the potential to save billions of lives in developing countries and increase health in the US. Anyway like 90% of corn and soy beans in the US are GM and corn and soy beans are in like 90% of products so it makes more sense to label non GM foods.

Interestingly enough I live in Boulder, Colorado. 99% of the populous are hippies and only eat locally grown organic all natural small business food.

I still don't want to touch the stuff though, i just think GM is a bad idea. And it may help the developing world, if the food was wasted so much in America or Europe. The world has enough food for 11 billion (huge surplus) and yet at least 1 billion are starving. Seems fair! With such a huge surplus, why do we need to modify it in the first place? It's fine as it is.  

Are you OK with direct breeding? Like if you have a high yield plant and a low yield one and you only take seeds from the high yield one?

If not, then why did we ever adopt any technique to improve farming? Why do we need fertiliser? Why do we need irrigation? Are you seriously saying crop yields are good enough and shouldn't improve?

Your argument is still coming from, "UGH GM IS UNNATURAL". If it's bad please link the data.



JoeTheBro said:

Can you actually supply us with a valid source stating salt is added to pop to make consumers drink more pop? That's a pretty absurd claim...

Other then what my doctor and co-workers tell me (I work at a medical clinic), no, I don't. However there is no need to add salt to pop, there are other substances which are just as effective at making it fix without the harmful health effects.

Also, I'm reading a lot of Americans talk about their freedoms. If the government subsidizes corn, so that you eat more corn based products, how is that not the same less against your freedom? Remove the subsidy you you truely can eat/drink what you want. This would naturally inflate the cost of chips and other junk food, but if healthier alternatives are cheaper without subsidies, and you eat healthier things as a result, then isn't this truely freedom and not some world where junk food is subsidized?

Also when I made this thread, the intention is that you still get to eat what you like, only it's healthier now. Yes junk food will likely go up in price a bit, but the gain in health from producers putting less salt/fat/sugar in their foods would be worth the stricter regulations. It's no different then speed limits on highways, they are there to keep you alive (in the case of food alive longer).



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