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HoloDust on 03 April 2013

Well, as they concluded (just like in previous article about UE4 on PS4), lack of dynamic SVO global illumination is disappointment - I'm eager to see if other engines (specially one used internally by Sony) will have the same problem as UE4.



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SENTIENT6 on 03 April 2013
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
Yeah the problem is a PC that will run it at those settings barely anyone has and won't for awhile..........Not many PC's in the wild have 8 core CPU's 8 GB GDDR5 ram, fast GPU. Not to mention the optimization they can do with a console being a closed system. All this PC talk is moronic and I'm a PC gamer , when Ps4 first launches it will look on par with the best PC's for awhile, a PC with near the same specs is a lot less efficient due to drivers, OS, other processes running. games will look great who cares if you want to spend a lot of money on a PC so it will look a little better?

CPU? Really? 8 cores of really slow CPUs (yes, I know, it's APU, but still). 8 GB GDDR5 is nice but there have to be studies on how this turns out to be a real advantage. And again this OS-things... It reads like what has been posted since many weeks and still sounds like parroting.

That's your argument? It sounds like parroting? People say it because it's true, amazing concept.  Windows overhead, drivers, PC's a massively way less efficient, it's why 7 year old hardware can still look good, a 7 year old PC with the same specs would struggle to run minecraft. Again facts are facts.



walsufnir on 03 April 2013
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
Yeah the problem is a PC that will run it at those settings barely anyone has and won't for awhile..........Not many PC's in the wild have 8 core CPU's 8 GB GDDR5 ram, fast GPU. Not to mention the optimization they can do with a console being a closed system. All this PC talk is moronic and I'm a PC gamer , when Ps4 first launches it will look on par with the best PC's for awhile, a PC with near the same specs is a lot less efficient due to drivers, OS, other processes running. games will look great who cares if you want to spend a lot of money on a PC so it will look a little better?

CPU? Really? 8 cores of really slow CPUs (yes, I know, it's APU, but still). 8 GB GDDR5 is nice but there have to be studies on how this turns out to be a real advantage. And again this OS-things... It reads like what has been posted since many weeks and still sounds like parroting.

That's your argument? It sounds like parroting? People say it because it's true, amazing concept.  Windows overhead, drivers, PC's a massively way less efficient, it's why 7 year old hardware can still look good, a 7 year old PC with the same specs would struggle to run minecraft. Again facts are facts.

BSD also has overhead, drivers is true but even with PCs you can code to metal.

Also: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hardware_requirements

Yes, facts are facts. But wrong facts are still wrong.



SENTIENT6 on 03 April 2013
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
Yeah the problem is a PC that will run it at those settings barely anyone has and won't for awhile..........Not many PC's in the wild have 8 core CPU's 8 GB GDDR5 ram, fast GPU. Not to mention the optimization they can do with a console being a closed system. All this PC talk is moronic and I'm a PC gamer , when Ps4 first launches it will look on par with the best PC's for awhile, a PC with near the same specs is a lot less efficient due to drivers, OS, other processes running. games will look great who cares if you want to spend a lot of money on a PC so it will look a little better?

CPU? Really? 8 cores of really slow CPUs (yes, I know, it's APU, but still). 8 GB GDDR5 is nice but there have to be studies on how this turns out to be a real advantage. And again this OS-things... It reads like what has been posted since many weeks and still sounds like parroting.

That's your argument? It sounds like parroting? People say it because it's true, amazing concept.  Windows overhead, drivers, PC's a massively way less efficient, it's why 7 year old hardware can still look good, a 7 year old PC with the same specs would struggle to run minecraft. Again facts are facts.

BSD also has overhead, drivers is true but even with PCs you can code to metal.

Also: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hardware_requirements

Yes, facts are facts. But wrong facts are still wrong.

LMAO don't know sarcasm? Minecraft was an exaggeration on purpose.

 

Explain why a  PC with the same specs as 360 and PS3 cannot run games like consoles can? PC needs a lot more brute strength, I can point you to an article where ID's John Carmack talks about the ptifalls of PC developemtn. Facts are facts. A PC requires much mroe hardware to run games at the same settings as console. It just so happens over tiem PC will have much better hardware. A PC with ps3 or 360's specs would be garbage and barely run anything.



Lawlight on 03 April 2013
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
Well, that tech demo is still running on a card that's probably 3 times more expensive than the PS4 card.


Doesn't mean the GTX 680 is required for it.

Doesn't mean it isn't. In addition to that, this is not in-game graphics.

that's why it is named a tech-demo, right.

 

So, in other words, it doesn't mean much.



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walsufnir on 03 April 2013
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
Yeah the problem is a PC that will run it at those settings barely anyone has and won't for awhile..........Not many PC's in the wild have 8 core CPU's 8 GB GDDR5 ram, fast GPU. Not to mention the optimization they can do with a console being a closed system. All this PC talk is moronic and I'm a PC gamer , when Ps4 first launches it will look on par with the best PC's for awhile, a PC with near the same specs is a lot less efficient due to drivers, OS, other processes running. games will look great who cares if you want to spend a lot of money on a PC so it will look a little better?

CPU? Really? 8 cores of really slow CPUs (yes, I know, it's APU, but still). 8 GB GDDR5 is nice but there have to be studies on how this turns out to be a real advantage. And again this OS-things... It reads like what has been posted since many weeks and still sounds like parroting.

That's your argument? It sounds like parroting? People say it because it's true, amazing concept.  Windows overhead, drivers, PC's a massively way less efficient, it's why 7 year old hardware can still look good, a 7 year old PC with the same specs would struggle to run minecraft. Again facts are facts.

BSD also has overhead, drivers is true but even with PCs you can code to metal.

Also: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hardware_requirements

Yes, facts are facts. But wrong facts are still wrong.

LMAO don;t know sarcasm? Minecraft was an exaggeration.

 

Explain whya  PC with the same epcs as 360 and PS3 cannot run games like consoles can? PC needs a lot more brute strength, I can point you to an article where ID's John Carmack talks about the ptifalls of PC developemtn. Facts are facts. A PC requires much mroe hardware to run games at the same settings as console. It just so happens over tiem PC will have much better hardware.


Yes, they have overhead, nothing to argue this off. Problem is that by now there is hardware available which is better than nextgen, it will be even cheaper when nextgen is out, especially given that AMD sells their APU-stuff also for everyone and the APU-stuff also has a roadmap that shows how powerful they will be in the next years.

I don't say that PC-gaming is better, i quit PC-gaming for years now but the problem is that pc-hardware got exponentially better over last years (remember the nvidia-slide? the scale was logarithmic). There will be hardly an advantage of consoles this time over PC, not like the past 2 gens. This doesn't mean we won't see amazing graphics, of course, NextBox and PS3 will have good graphics, for sure. Just not as good as PC, as always.(And yes, there will be PCs with worse graphics and yes, I know that there isn't ONE gaming-PC with fixed hardware, other than consoles).



walsufnir on 03 April 2013
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
Well, that tech demo is still running on a card that's probably 3 times more expensive than the PS4 card.


Doesn't mean the GTX 680 is required for it.

Doesn't mean it isn't. In addition to that, this is not in-game graphics.

that's why it is named a tech-demo, right.

 

So, in other words, it doesn't mean much.

So we agree that most of the stuff presented at the PS4-reveal (except KZ) doesn't mean much? Right.



SENTIENT6 on 03 April 2013
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
Yeah the problem is a PC that will run it at those settings barely anyone has and won't for awhile..........Not many PC's in the wild have 8 core CPU's 8 GB GDDR5 ram, fast GPU. Not to mention the optimization they can do with a console being a closed system. All this PC talk is moronic and I'm a PC gamer , when Ps4 first launches it will look on par with the best PC's for awhile, a PC with near the same specs is a lot less efficient due to drivers, OS, other processes running. games will look great who cares if you want to spend a lot of money on a PC so it will look a little better?

CPU? Really? 8 cores of really slow CPUs (yes, I know, it's APU, but still). 8 GB GDDR5 is nice but there have to be studies on how this turns out to be a real advantage. And again this OS-things... It reads like what has been posted since many weeks and still sounds like parroting.

That's your argument? It sounds like parroting? People say it because it's true, amazing concept.  Windows overhead, drivers, PC's a massively way less efficient, it's why 7 year old hardware can still look good, a 7 year old PC with the same specs would struggle to run minecraft. Again facts are facts.

BSD also has overhead, drivers is true but even with PCs you can code to metal.

Also: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hardware_requirements

Yes, facts are facts. But wrong facts are still wrong.

LMAO don;t know sarcasm? Minecraft was an exaggeration.

 

Explain whya  PC with the same epcs as 360 and PS3 cannot run games like consoles can? PC needs a lot more brute strength, I can point you to an article where ID's John Carmack talks about the ptifalls of PC developemtn. Facts are facts. A PC requires much mroe hardware to run games at the same settings as console. It just so happens over tiem PC will have much better hardware.


Yes, they have overhead, nothing to argue this off. Problem is that by now there is hardware available which is better than nextgen, it will be even cheaper when nextgen is out, especially given that AMD sells their APU-stuff also for everyone and the APU-stuff also has a roadmap that shows how powerful they will be in the next years.

I don't say that PC-gaming is better, i quit PC-gaming for years now but the problem is that pc-hardware got exponentially better over last years (remember the nvidia-slide? the scale was logarithmic). There will be hardly an advantage of consoles this time over PC, not like the past 2 gens. This doesn't mean we won't see amazing graphics, of course, NextBox and PS3 will have good graphics, for sure. Just not as good as PC, as always.(And yes, there will be PCs with worse graphics and yes, I know that there isn't ONE gaming-PC with fixed hardware, other than consoles).

The number of People who will own Pc's that will run games better then PS4 in it's first year will be miniscule. There will be an advantage same as there always is at launch. There are always better PC's around it costs money most people simply do not have said PC's.



Lawlight on 03 April 2013
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
Well, that tech demo is still running on a card that's probably 3 times more expensive than the PS4 card.


Doesn't mean the GTX 680 is required for it.

Doesn't mean it isn't. In addition to that, this is not in-game graphics.

that's why it is named a tech-demo, right.

 

So, in other words, it doesn't mean much.

So we agree that most of the stuff presented at the PS4-reveal (except KZ) doesn't mean much? Right.

Of course, the PS4-reveal wasn't about the games per se. It was what the PS4 will be doing and the developer support. But KZ:SF looks great so yeah.



walsufnir on 03 April 2013
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
Yeah the problem is a PC that will run it at those settings barely anyone has and won't for awhile..........Not many PC's in the wild have 8 core CPU's 8 GB GDDR5 ram, fast GPU. Not to mention the optimization they can do with a console being a closed system. All this PC talk is moronic and I'm a PC gamer , when Ps4 first launches it will look on par with the best PC's for awhile, a PC with near the same specs is a lot less efficient due to drivers, OS, other processes running. games will look great who cares if you want to spend a lot of money on a PC so it will look a little better?

CPU? Really? 8 cores of really slow CPUs (yes, I know, it's APU, but still). 8 GB GDDR5 is nice but there have to be studies on how this turns out to be a real advantage. And again this OS-things... It reads like what has been posted since many weeks and still sounds like parroting.

That's your argument? It sounds like parroting? People say it because it's true, amazing concept.  Windows overhead, drivers, PC's a massively way less efficient, it's why 7 year old hardware can still look good, a 7 year old PC with the same specs would struggle to run minecraft. Again facts are facts.

BSD also has overhead, drivers is true but even with PCs you can code to metal.

Also: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hardware_requirements

Yes, facts are facts. But wrong facts are still wrong.

LMAO don;t know sarcasm? Minecraft was an exaggeration.

 

Explain whya  PC with the same epcs as 360 and PS3 cannot run games like consoles can? PC needs a lot more brute strength, I can point you to an article where ID's John Carmack talks about the ptifalls of PC developemtn. Facts are facts. A PC requires much mroe hardware to run games at the same settings as console. It just so happens over tiem PC will have much better hardware.


Yes, they have overhead, nothing to argue this off. Problem is that by now there is hardware available which is better than nextgen, it will be even cheaper when nextgen is out, especially given that AMD sells their APU-stuff also for everyone and the APU-stuff also has a roadmap that shows how powerful they will be in the next years.

I don't say that PC-gaming is better, i quit PC-gaming for years now but the problem is that pc-hardware got exponentially better over last years (remember the nvidia-slide? the scale was logarithmic). There will be hardly an advantage of consoles this time over PC, not like the past 2 gens. This doesn't mean we won't see amazing graphics, of course, NextBox and PS3 will have good graphics, for sure. Just not as good as PC, as always.(And yes, there will be PCs with worse graphics and yes, I know that there isn't ONE gaming-PC with fixed hardware, other than consoles).

The number of People who will own Pc's that will run games better then PS4 in it's first year will be miniscule. There will be an advantage same as there always is at launch. There are always better PC's around it costs money most people simply do not have said PC's.

I somehow want to agree with you but I think we should wait for multi-plat-titles and df-analysis of these games - to me forecasting this gen is too unstable.