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Gamerace on 30 March 2013

I have no (little) issue with WiiU not playing PS4/720 games. After all I didn't get a Wii to play PS3/360 games (although I would have bought GTA, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect or Batman on Wii to play them with motion controls).

But if it's only going to play a small handful of Nintendo games a year (of which 2/3rds don't interest me) and a few exclusives (of which even fewer will interest me) then $350 is Waaaaay too much to ask. I'd sooner they kept making games for Wii. But if I must get a new system just for that it'd have to be $99 or $199 with (better than Wii) motion controls and better than PS3 graphics.



 

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Galaki on 30 March 2013

I HATE NINTENDO AND I DON'T KNOW WHY! HELP ME!!



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chris_wing on 30 March 2013
tonymarraffa said:
chris_wing said:
1 - " The Gamecube was the most powerful console at the time, yet it failed." - OP.  No, the Xbox was by a large margin.  The Cube was in the middle.
2 - The GCN had mini 1.4 GB disks while the PS2 & Xbox had full size DVD's holding several times as much data, meaning video, audio, & textures for large games needed to be aggressively compressed resulting in muddy looking ports.
3 - The console looked like Barneys lunch box.
4 - The system had virtually no online, while the Xbox & PS2 had online gaming as a strong selling point.

I love the Gamecube, but to say it was a perfect system for 3rd party games & it only failed to sell well because it had the Nintendo name on it is disingenuous.


No the Xbox was more powerful. You're right on everything else though lol.

I know, that was a quote from the OP I was refuting.  He said Nintendo tried the Sony approach with the Cube & had the most powerful console but still failed.  I was just making some points as to why the system failed that didn't include "Because it's Nintendo & people only want Nintendo games on Nintendo sytems".  That's bull, people want all their games on one system & Nintendo fans want that one system to be a Nintendo system.  Unfortunatly Nintendo made a system that is over priced & underpowered in the Wii U, meaning ports of last gen games & Nintendo exclusives are all it will recieve.

For the gamer who want's all their games on one system this is a valid reason to be angry with Nintendo.

I for one love Nintendo games, but will not be purchasing a Wii U any time soon.  As a piece of hardware it just makes no sense for me to purchase it.  I have a back cataloge of Wii (& Cube) games and a Steam account that in mocking me with unfinished gems, if the Wii U had next generation graphics and a promise of 3rd party games for the next 5+ years I would consider it, as it is I might buy one far down the road for dirt cheep after it's replaced by something new, but I really don't need it.



Akvod on 30 March 2013
Player2 said:
Akvod said:
What's the point of Nintendo staying in the console business?

They're barely making money off the console itself, and they're not getting 3'rd party support from which they could extract royalties from.

The answer is in your post: In their console they don't have to pay royalties to anybody else.


And is that worth more than doubling their customer base?



Player2 on 30 March 2013
Akvod said:
Player2 said:
Akvod said:
What's the point of Nintendo staying in the console business?

They're barely making money off the console itself, and they're not getting 3'rd party support from which they could extract royalties from.

The answer is in your post: In their console they don't have to pay royalties to anybody else.


And is that worth more than doubling their customer base?

Doubling? What happened with handhelds?



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Akvod on 30 March 2013
Player2 said:
Akvod said:
Player2 said:
Akvod said:
What's the point of Nintendo staying in the console business?

They're barely making money off the console itself, and they're not getting 3'rd party support from which they could extract royalties from.

The answer is in your post: In their console they don't have to pay royalties to anybody else.


And is that worth more than doubling their customer base?

Doubling? What happened with handhelds?

By console I meant home consoles. I think they should stay in the handheld market since they have a good target segment and didn't fuck up in terms of the hardware or 3'rd party support.



teigaga on 31 March 2013
LilChicken22 said:
teigaga said:
The only annoyance comes for those who may have been hoping that the Wii U will be their only next gen system. Still some will be satisfied with ninty's exclusives but many will have to spend another $400 to play games which could have been on the Wii U if nintendo had played their cards differently.

Why would Nintendo choose to lose huge amounts of money again like they did with the Gamecube? Also Gamecube got a lot of third party multiplatform titles but it sold SO poorly. There isn't any reason for them to repeat that. They need to differentiate themself.

Obviously the price of the console would be up marked if they went the route of more power. Undoubtably they would proabably still loose even money on each system in attempt to keep the price low ($400) but the goal would be for longer term profit.

You cannot make direct comparisons between the gamecube and the wii U. firstly the gamecube was purple!

Secondly it come out a year after the ps2, whereas the Wii U was first.

3rdly every single 3rd party console gets "a lot of 3rd party support"... But its the quality and consistency of that support that matters. The only big 3rd party title I remember it getting was resident evil and metal gear twin snakes but both games arrived far too late,  it was already over by 2004.

Don't forget that the Xbox and Gamecube performed the same, but look where the Xbox360 managed to go when it opted to perfect the formula. Suggesting Nintendo cannot compete in the hardcore space purely on the success of the gamecube is not a valid arguement because the same shoud then apply for the xbox. They've handled the Wii U launch like a complete mess, them of all people should have secured support for the system with all the $$$ they have. Imagine if the Wii U was recieving PC speced games like Bioshock... I would have picked one up by now, but instead they've made the hardware uninticing for devs and gamers alike. All the system has going for it right now is inevitable arrival of all the 1st party exclusives.

Although I am not personally angry with them anymore. I've just accepted the fact that I will be buying a PS4, and wii U later down the road when it is cheaper and has smash bros, mario 3d and zelda on it.



Meret on 31 March 2013

 

I think we’ll be amazed by the amount of unique games coming to Wii U and already available on 3DS. Who knows what other companies are working on behind closed doors in cooperation with Nintendo. If you’re a true gamer and want to experience all types of games, you won’t be ready for next-gen with a Wii U alone, but also not with a PC/PS4/Xbox 3 alone. This is just something we cannot change.

 

 


Yes! Iwata promised more collaborations like with Platinum Games (Bayo 2, W101), Atlus (SMT x FE), TT Games (LEGO)... There's amazing games under development. Thrilled to see them!

Thank you for great article, OP!



Grandia on 31 March 2013

Most people like me will only buy one next generatin console and for us 3rd party support is essential 3 good games from nintendo per year is way to less.

I  definitively would prefer a Nintendo console above Sony or Microsoft if it has the same 3rd party support like them. 



Fusioncode on 31 March 2013
LilChicken22 said:

 

If you got angry at Nintendo for not making Wii U UE4/Frostbite 3 capable it may be good to read this article. 

 

With the subject of this thread I’m referring to this:

When Nintendo doesn’t get third party support: ‘’Nintendo is once again falling behind and I’m not buying their console because it doesn’t support third party multiplatform games.’’

When Nintendo gets third party support: ‘’Not interested. I can get those games on my Playstation/Xbox/PC anyway with better performance and graphics.’’ 

I remember when Nintendo tried to follow in Sony’s footsteps by convincing third parties to port their games to Nintendo consoles. It was called the Gamecube, Nintendo’s biggest flop in terms of sales (especially third party). We all know Nintendo has been third party supportive with NES and SNES, but that was because they got no direct competition. Since the N64 Nintendo has had difficulty to gain third party games to their consoles for no apparent reason. I personally am thrilled to know why third party doesn’t take Nintendo that serious, but it has been that way for many years and it’s time to accept that. My only theory is that Nintendo looks different at games then most third parties; making games fun and memorable. Especially western developers are therefore the direct competition for Nintendo, because they focus on power and performance. There isn’t any other company out their like Nintendo.

You can’t be angry at Nintendo for not trying to get multiplatform games on Wii U. Why would they in the first place looking back at the performance of the Gamecube. The Gamecube was the most powerful console at the time, yet it failed. I think it is better for Nintendo to differentiate themselves even more from the competition than they are now. Nintendo shouldn’t be trying to be like Sony/Microsoft. We already got a PC/Playstation/Xbox for those types of games. Why do you want a third another exactly the same console? 

With my current observations, I can conclude Nintendo is already taking another route than the real ‘hardcore-gamer’ is expecting from them ‘’getting back hardcore-gamers’’. Nintendo pissed of gamers by getting Bayonetta 2 Wii U exclusive. Nintendo has Monster Hunter, it has Dragon Quest, it pays for Lego City, W101, SMTxFE exclusivity. Look at the games-list of 3DS. There are so many exclusives, and that’s why it’s selling so good. Nintendo isn’t waiting for third party to support them, they’re working out deals so that they make Nintendo-exclusives appealing to the Nintendo audience. This may only be the beginning referring to Iwata’s statement: 

"Our first party software alone can't be enough to appeal to the different tastes of all game fans. The decision of Nintendo that it will publish the two software titles from Platinum Games is one answer to this challenge." - Nintendo global president, Satoru Iwata

I think we’ll be amazed by the amount of unique games coming to Wii U and already available on 3DS. Who knows what other companies are working on behind closed doors in cooperation with Nintendo. If you’re a true gamer and want to experience all types of games, you won’t be ready for next-gen with a Wii U alone, but also not with a PC/PS4/Xbox 3 alone. This is just something we cannot change.

 

 

There were plenty of reasons why N64 didn't get any 3rd party support.

They treated 3rd parties like crap in the NES/SNES days. They got away with it because Nintendo was always dominant back then. 

They went with cartridges over CDs. 

And they were competing with the Playstation. 



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