Why? Nothing he said was factually incorrect, it's just whether you consider a game which sells below 50k FW as 'huge' or not. I don't. 

Ive nothing against the libraries (because all systems are pretty lacklustre), but you can't say one game is massive and measure it relative to install base, or every PS4 game would be huge. A game is big if it sells Luigis Mansion (or over 200k) numbers, regardless of the console it is on.

Maybe that's a bit high, but you get the point.

I've come to the personal decision that about 120k is quite a good first week for a game in Japan. 150k+ is very good.

Of course we have higher expectations for certain series, and a game like Luigi's Mansion should (and did) sell more FW than, say, Kid Icarus: Uprising. Fire Emblem: Awakening, Kingdom Hearts 3D, and of course Monster Hunter 3G and Dragon Quest VII all had over 200k openings -- this is phenomenal by most games' standards, but hardly surprising considering the pedigree of those franchises.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this, there's no handicap anyone can give the Vita that would justify Vita-3DS software sales compaisons to me. I just don't see the point of comparing them at all. Comparing the quality and quantity of the libraries makes sense, but that probably wouldn't be a very civil discussion for long.

Not a chance, probably more like ~30-50k. 

The question isn't which game sells more but rather which games will push hardware. Isn't that what this discussion was about. That's why you want bigger games to come fast, so you can increase/sustain sales levels. Why wouldn't you make it relative?

It´s about time to have those download sales numbers, retail numbers alone can´t give us a clear view of the market anymore.

It's in my sig

That would have been a very funny thread to continue on with.

*whoosh*

Of course they're going to fall further, Pie, that was never up for debate.  What I'm saying is - a few posts (not a great deal, but some) were calling Vita-back-to-20k-doom the week after Soul Sacrifice.  They seemed to believe that the price cut effect had worn off altogether and there was no more software coming that would maintain respectable levels.  Which obviously was a load of rubbish, and the sales have proved that for two weeks now.  

That's all that post was about.  We haven't seen what the new baseline for Vita is yet, I agree, but that's not the point I was making.  The descent to the new baseline is coming, but we'll see it the week after next (once Muramasa/Holy Sorcery Story are out) rather than 2 weeks ago.

Guys, can anyone answer my question. What's the best way to estimate digital sales numbers for PS3 version of One piece musou 2. Do we have to wait for shipment numbers from Namco/Koei or do they not include digital download either.

Chances are we will never know unless it does well enough for Namco to come out and say the numbers.