Wii-U is going to end up worse than Gamecube, they can't cut the price this time.
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Mummelmann said:
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Most people don't buy systems for the hardware, but for the software. I bought a PS2 for GTA and FFX, among others. I picked up an XBox for Halo, Fable and SWKOTOR. Gamecube's titles - as good as they may have been - were not desireable and the system was just too much like a toy.
Wii U physically looks fine at least, as just a larger, rounder version of the popular Wii casing. We know next to nothing about Wii U's major titles. If they are desireable, the system will be desireable. Simple as that. You are welcome to your opinion, of course, but I think your judgement is pre-mature, since we haven't seen the major titles, nor have we seen major titles for other systems, or the pricing of other systems.
If PS4 is $600 and launches with Killzone which ends up being terrible and a couple other games, NextBox launches at $700 and has Fable Journey 2, and Wii U drops its price to $250 and has Mario Universe which blows peoples minds, MarioKart is the best thing ever, X makes every Final Fantasy look like garbage and Nintendo comes up with some crazy new party game that becomes a huge craze, WiiU could be extremely appealing. Especially if Watch_Dogs, FF, COD, GTA and Destiny all look and play great on the system.
If PS4 is $299 and has a spectacular launch line up, NextBox is $250 and will do your laundry for you and Wii U gets Mario Rainy Day and Zelda: the Care Bears Crisis and no 3rd party support, then Wii U will have very low desereability and will sell awful.
Right now it's way too early to tell.
TheLastStarFighter said:
Only time will tell if Wii U is cool. But it is very different from Gamecube. Also, -No one cares about the power. Most people don't understand power. Power appeals to about 10% of the market. PS1&2 and Wiiwere significantly underpowered. -From my experience Wii U is cool. Girls have loved playing with the touch screen, guys like the interface and that it plays COD. However, most people don't know what it is. |
I hope you are joking. Power appeals to the core market, X360 didn't pick up until Gears of War got released. People saw it and believed. PSX and PS2 were not significantly underpowered, they were just a little bit less powerful than consoles released later, but still were considered monsters upon their release and could easily run comparable ports of all games. And they were cool and introduced CDs and DVDs to the mass market. Wii was a revolution. Wii U is nothing of the above, neither was the GameCube.
Seriously, since when is gaming stuff that girls play cool? What guys like or even just care that Wii U plays CoD? Are you aware that CoD BlOps 2 sold 22 mil on PS360 and just 170k on Wii U? Stop with this bs, cause it makes you look more desperate to defend Wii U than is really necessary.
The console is a bad design. It is struggling and there is no chance for it to become a huge success, but it should be profitable for Nintendo in the end, just like GCN was. The 75 million sales you talk about in OP is crazy, it won't even get close. It's a GCN 2 and it will sell only moderately better than GCN, benefiting a bit from the success of Wii. 40-45 mil will be a huge success and that's what I hope it manages to achieve, though 35 mil is also possible. Nintendo has to be ready to enter starvation phase and be prepared to make Wii U profitable with just such low sales, like they did with the GameCube.
Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!
My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/
My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.
Scisca said:
I hope you are joking. Power appeals to the core market, X360 didn't pick up until Gears of War got released. People saw it and believed. PSX and PS2 were not significantly underpowered, they were just a little bit less powerful than consoles released later, but still were considered monsters upon their release and could easily run comparable ports of all games. And they were cool and introduced CDs and DVDs to the mass market. Wii was a revolution. Wii U is nothing of the above, neither was the GameCube. Seriously, since when is gaming stuff that girls play cool? What guys like or even just care that Wii U plays CoD? Are you aware that CoD BlOps 2 sold 22 mil on PS360 and just 170k on Wii U? Stop with this bs, cause it makes you look more desperate to defend Wii U than is really necessary. The console is a bad design. It is struggling and there is no chance for it to become a huge success, but it should be profitable for Nintendo in the end, just like GCN was. The 75 million sales you talk about in OP is crazy, it won't even get close. It's a GCN 2 and it will sell only moderately better than GCN, benefiting a bit from the success of Wii. 40-45 mil will be a huge success and that's what I hope it manages to achieve, though 35 mil is also possible. Nintendo has to be ready to enter starvation phase and be prepared to make Wii U profitable with just such low sales, like they did with the GameCube. |
Two things are clear from this post. a) you have no interest in females. I do, so their opinion is valuable. b) You don't read very well, as I never said 75 million anywhere.
TheLastStarFighter said:
1. That any 3D mario game is a 3D Mario game. Or any Zelda is a Zelda. This isn't true. That is the point. Gamecube had Mario and Zelda, but they were versions with odd themes and styles that were very much geared toward children instead of the whole family. 2. That any Monolithsoft game is the same. X is not Baiten Kaitos. 3. That if games can't sell a late-to-market purple lunch box, they can't sell anything. WiiU is not a purple lunch box, and it was first to market. 4. That WiiU didn't sell great at launch. It did. It was selling at 88% of Wii numbers till Christmas. That is exceptional sales, especially in a much tougher market than what Wii faced. People seem to forget this. When I said it was selling through as it was shipped, it was. Sales only tanked in January. Now it is overstocked. |
and gamecube sales outpaced wii,.. that was until sales tanked in january. people seem to forget this.
*NPD numbers.
and i think you are putting way to much into the color of the console and the title of a mario game. but hey, does not matter what i think. you'll be the one eating crow at the end of this year just like you did at the begining.
kitler53 said:
and gamecube sales outpaced wii,.. that was until sales tanked in january. people seem to forget this.
*NPD numbers.
and i think you are putting way to much into the color of the console and the title of a mario game. but hey, does not matter what i think. you'll be the one eating crow at the end of this year just like you did at the begining. |
Eating crow on what? I said it was selling well before Christmas and it was. I've said in the past don't judge the system until after it sells 5 million units. I still say that. I say that about all systems.
And today I'm not saying Wii U will dominate. What I'm saying is any problems it has are very different than gamecube.
kitler53 said:
and gamecube sales outpaced wii,.. that was until sales tanked in january. people seem to forget this.
*NPD numbers.
and i think you are putting way to much into the color of the console and the title of a mario game. but hey, does not matter what i think. you'll be the one eating crow at the end of this year just like you did at the begining. |
Why exactly will he be eating crow? Are you saying what I think you are saying? I hope you aren't saying PS4 or 720 will outsell Wii U later this year? If so, then I would love to place a bet, I doubt you have that much confidence in Sony though.
I must be the only one that finds Wind Waker's graphics more attractive than Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword's
| D-Minaj225 said: I must be the only one that finds Wind Waker's graphics more attractive than Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword's |
I think they hold up better over time. I can't wait to play Wind Waker HD. My point is that the style doesn't have mass market draw. Too many people are put off by cartoons, and the childlike style of link. I was put off when I was younger. And I still prefer a more realistic take. I'm hoping for a OoT look to Zelda U, but modern and stylized.
| Mummelmann said: What is this nonsense about "Nintendo knows this and that and have learned X and Y" always being thrown into every argument. They clearly haven't learned and have shown time and time again, the three past years being the closest for evidence, that they do not learn and aren't able to keep up at all times, they have reverted back to becoming followers instead of leaders in the market and shown very poor judgement in the development process, architecture, philosphy and launch of the Wii U and have very much set themselves up for their current predicament, it was long in the coming and all but obvious from the first time they showed the Wii U. Their stress and rush, paired with the inability to see the importance of things such online features and gaming, ease of use in connectivity with other players, uniform formats, full support for 3rd party peripherals and something as given as advertising shows a company that is living in the past. Going from the destructive force that was the peak of the DS/Wii combination and into this; Wii U barely moving and the 3DS combating against the approaching death of the dedicated handheld market (another thing that is/was painstakingly obvious to many without Nintendo goggles on) shows that they are far from infallible, they are not contemporary enough, out of touch with the technology applied in almost all gadgets, oblivious to cost efficency and getting hardware for their buck (SSD drive with no room and a super expensive tablet controller that is trumphed by all other tablets on the market?) and, most of all; damn stubborn and set in their ways. Nintendo are too Japanese to succeed in the West in their current state, its as simple as that. They have made grave mistakes and shown poor judgement of the console market, they have underestimated their competition, riding too long on the ripples of the Wii's viral marketing and grown too fond of their own ways and exellence to see the need for renewal, keeping pace with the market as a whole and humility in any form. OP: You need to wake up and smell the roses, which is the current state of the market and Nintendo at this stage. They are not in sync at all and the Wii U was a mistake from the first stroke of the designers pen and there is nothing that any amount of games, peripherals or pricing strategies can do about the core problem; the basic lack of appeal and the miscalculated and highly erroneous design and aim straight between two markets where neither is being reeled in and most likely never will be. All your Nintendo related posts smack of a naive and surreal lack of insight in how things work as a whole, you sound like the dreaded Sony fan anno 2007, the nemesis of all Nintendo fans across the globe. |
Its funny you are always commenting about Ninty and how the WiiU wont be successful but you never ever state which company will beat them. Why is that? Are you afraid of being wrong? So Mummelmann will PS4/720 sell better than WiiU this December if they have launched by then? Its their opening holiday, I dont see why not especially with the WiiU failing hard.
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