Don't compare WiiU and GameCube

[Scisca]

TheLastStarFighter said:

Scisca said:

TheLastStarFighter said:

BossPuma said:

TheLastStarFighter said:

Can people please stop comparing these systems.  In particular, I'm tired of the statement that Gamecube had lots of awesome games and didn't sell well, so how are games going to help WiiU.  The systems are nothing alike.

People say Mario Sunshine, Zelda: Windwaker, Smash Brothers, Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Metroid Prime and MarioKart DD couldn't sell Gamecube and they were amazing games.  I'm sorry, but they aren't.  Well, they may be great games, but I wouldn't know, because I didn't play them and didn't want to. I bought a PS2 instead.  And an XBox.  Mario Sunshine was a dorky name for a game with Mario using a watergun on vacation.  Zelda was a cartoon.  Metroid Prime may be amazing, but to me it looked weak and boring compared to Halo.

 

Dont criticise games you've never played. All the games you mentioned are phenominal. They dont deserve to be judged by how they look.

You - and a few other Nintendo fans on this thread - have completely missed my point.  Whether they deserve it or not, that is how titles are judged.  I'm not saying that they are bad games.  In fact, I can't wait to try Wind Waker on WiiU.  I'm saying that their themes sucked so people wouldn't buy them.  They didn't have mass appeal because they were quirky offshoots.  In particular, when GC came out I was in college and few people would be caught dead with a purple box and sunshine and cartoon games in their flat, not when your neighbours have the cool PS2 and GTA or are having beers and shooting people in Halo.  Nintendo's big titles weren't factors in the GC era because the system was a toy and they had funny themes... and as such wouldn't sell to the key 16-25 demo.  I'm older now, and as such I have no problem playing toon Link.  But I still probably wouldn't buy a system that looked like the gamecube.  It just looks too immature.

So basicaly you are saying that GCN failed, because it wasn't cool - and I agree. But now try to explain to me how is the key 16-25 demo miraculously going to consider a previous gen level Wii U "cool"? You really think black and white colour of the chasis is cool enough to win with PS4/X720? It's not. Wii U is not even cooler than PS360. Wii didn't sell because it was cool, but because it was different and offered original experiences. Wii U has lost that and what is left is a heavily underpowered yet ridiculously expensive console with a Vita instead of a controller. Not a good combo.

Wii U is a GCN 2, it's making the same mistake. It's just not cool. It will have good games, but like in the case of GCN, people just won't feel like buying it. The reasons for it not being cool are different, but the result is the same.

Only time will tell if Wii U is cool.  But it is very different from Gamecube. Also,

-No one cares about the power.  Most people don't understand power. Power appeals to about 10% of the market. PS1&2 and Wiiwere significantly underpowered.

-From my experience Wii U is cool. Girls have loved playing with the touch screen, guys like the interface and that it plays COD.  However, most people don't know what it is.

I hope you are joking. Power appeals to the core market, X360 didn't pick up until Gears of War got released. People saw it and believed. PSX and PS2 were not significantly underpowered, they were just a little bit less powerful than consoles released later, but still were considered monsters upon their release and could easily run comparable ports of all games. And they were cool and introduced CDs and DVDs to the mass market. Wii was a revolution. Wii U is nothing of the above, neither was the GameCube.

Seriously, since when is gaming stuff that girls play cool? What guys like or even just care that Wii U plays CoD? Are you aware that CoD BlOps 2 sold 22 mil on PS360 and just 170k on Wii U? Stop with this bs, cause it makes you look more desperate to defend Wii U than is really necessary.

The console is a bad design. It is struggling and there is no chance for it to become a huge success, but it should be profitable for Nintendo in the end, just like GCN was. The 75 million sales you talk about in OP is crazy, it won't even get close. It's a GCN 2 and it will sell only moderately better than GCN, benefiting a bit from the success of Wii. 40-45 mil will be a huge success and that's what I hope it manages to achieve, though 35 mil is also possible. Nintendo has to be ready to enter starvation phase and be prepared to make Wii U profitable with just such low sales, like they did with the GameCube.