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Any Shining game made by Camelot is a gem. They're the series creator and anything after Shining Force III and Shining the Holy Ark is garbage SEGA came up with.

I'd advise you to play the original Shining Force instead of the remake for the GBA, as it changed certain plot details that conflict with other games. Apart from that, go ahead and enjoy! :)



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Michael-5 said:
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Michael-5 said:

Okay, so I'm a big JRPG fan (...)

 

(...) I haven't beaten any Final Fantasy between 3-9

Are you serious?

I didn't like FFVII and that's the one people always rant about. I was playing FFVI on my old cell phone, but it broke. I recently bought it for GBA, so I will play it soon.

Final Fantasy is not the pinicle of JRPG's, I've enjoyed a lot of other RPG's much more. Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, XenoBlade, Lost Odyssey. Fire Emblem, Golden Sun, Drakengard, Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, etc.

Yes, yes it... was... The best game in the FF series is FFVI that's when it started to suck  --- still, i meant that just the fact that you are a rpg lover you've never finished them, that's like saying ''i love westerns but i don't like cleant eastwood so i haven't seen any of his movies'' that's just wrong, man! hahahaha

No but seriously, the director of FFVI (and many people who worked on it) is the same from Crhono Trigger, Xenogears, Xenosaga and Xenoblade - FINISH IT! at least FFIV, V and VI, you won't regret it. VII is not bad but isn't anywhere close to being the best.



kupomogli said:
Michael-5 said:
kupomogli said:

I'd recommend looking into these games, maybe they'll interest you. Brigandine Legend of Foresna, Brigandine Grand Edition, Tactics Ogre, Dark Wizard, Wild ARMs XF, Wild ARMs 4/5(sort of TRPG,) Arc the Lad series, and Kartia. If you've played all these then look around for others, but these are some of the better TRPGs in my opinion,

Hm... I'll take that into mind. I have the first game on the GBA, I'll play that before I get the others. Maybe this is a series like Lufia, which really only made 1 good game.

Never heard of Bigrandine, it looks okay. Not sure if it's a type of SRPG that iterests me. Tactics Ogre, except for the SNES/PS1 game, I own them all . Wild Arms isn't for me because I don't like Westerns, I plaed WA3, and I'm not too impressed. Arc the Lad I've heard mixed things and Kartia looks cool. The character designs remind me of Front Mission (Which is one of my favorite SRPG franchises, right up there with Fire Emblem).

Can you reccommend me any other SRPG's which don't look like Final Fantasy Tactics? Sorry Bigrandine and Kartia kinda look like that to me lol.

You mean don't look like FFTactics as in character art?  Or similar in style to gameplay?  I'll list a few other SRPGs/TRPGs.

Vandal Hearts, Growlanser 2, and Yggdra Union are all great games.  Especially Vandal Hearts which must have slipped my mind as I should have posted it in the last list.

I previoiusly listed Brigandine and Brigandine Grand Edition but I want to mention them again since Brigandine is my favorite game.  The games have literally endless replay value though because they're not your traditional style of TRPG.  Think of Romance of the Three Kingdoms where you have the world map and each of your cities.  On Brigandine you don't go in depth like drafting soldiers, training soldiers, increasing your farms, revenue, people support, etc.  You just set your characters to defend certain locations, send them on quests if you want them to attempt to find special items or new characters.  You can increase characters classes, cross class characters, etc   Your objective is to take over the continent and that's it, but with that also being the main goal of every other country, that's where the replay value comes in because you can just continue to do so.  Whether you want to take it slow and build up your army, cross classing every knight into the best character they can be or try to see how many months you can conquer the continent in.

Grand Edition was only released in Japan and it's a remake on the same system.  Sort of like Legacy of Darkness on the N64.  I own both and while the same, the changes they made also make it fairly different so I have efun playing either.  If you have friends that are interested in it, you can also play multiplayer where each person takes control of their own country and the computer AI controls the rest.  So playing a normal game of Brigandine with humans is a lot of fun.

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If you're interested in some non TRPGs though, here's some really good ones.   

MS Saga(don't let the Gundam theme fool you, this is a very good game,) Xenosaga 3, Grandia, Wild ARMs(I know you said you didn't like the western theme, but it's less on here than in the third, and if you like this then,) Wild ARMs 2, and Suikoden series.

Hm... I think you have a somewhat different taste in JRPG's then me.

Fire Emblem introduced me to SRPG's, and since then I've only played Fire Emblem, Front Mission, Advance Wars (although not an RPG), FF Tactics, Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre, ASH, and Jeanne d'Arc. I've played them pretty faithfully, I own all localized games and even some Japanese ones and for the most part beat them. I've also recently tried out Disgaea and in a weird way, I do like it.

FF Tactics was my least favorite SRPG of them all, it really focused on one character and felt like a traditional RPG with tactics gameplay. I think I really like the war theme in Tactic style games, and I love seeing character development. FE is known for character development, and I really like Front Missions style of story.

I've played Vandal Hearts, I'll probably add that to my little "keep an eye out for" list. I dunno if I would like Growlancer or Yggdra. I'll keep an eye out for Brigandine, out of all the SRPG's we've mentioned, which do you think it plays most similar to?

I'm interested in Shining Force because it looks pretty similar to Fire Emblem, and it's made by the developers on Golden Sun, and those two are my favorite handheld series. Preferably, I'd be looking for SRPG's on the handheld because I usually play them at work (I have a job which involves lots of waiting), or on roadtrips.

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As for other JRPG's I own all the Suikodens except for II and IV, own Grandia for PS1 and Grandia 2 for Dreamcast, and I own XenoSaga 1. I loved XenoGears and XenoBlade so I want to try XenoSaga, but it has such a slow start and from clips I've seen it looks a bit boring, so I'm not going to get Ep 2 or 3 until I play 1 long enough to know if I like this or not.

Anyway, like I said you have a bit of a different taste in JRPG's then me, my favorite series have been Chrono Trigger/Cross, Super Mario RPG, Drakengard, Baten Kaitos, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun, Tactics Ogre, Suikoden, Front Mission, Tales of ___, and Retro FF games.

Lol I have a good collection up to N64/Dreamcast. PS1 and older, my collection is lacking. Vandal Hearts, Threads of Fate, Alundra, Brave Fencer, Panzer Dragoon (Saturn), and Secret of ___ games are what I think I'm interested in.



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Hm... I think you have a somewhat different taste in JRPG's then me.

Fire Emblem introduced me to SRPG's, and since then I've only played Fire Emblem, Front Mission, Advance Wars (although not an RPG), FF Tactics, Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre, ASH, and Jeanne d'Arc. I've played them pretty faithfully, I own all localized games and even some Japanese ones and for the most part beat them. I've also recently tried out Disgaea and in a weird way, I do like it.

FF Tactics was my least favorite SRPG of them all, it really focused on one character and felt like a traditional RPG with tactics gameplay. I think I really like the war theme in Tactic style games, and I love seeing character development. FE is known for character development, and I really like Front Missions style of story.

I've played Vandal Hearts, I'll probably add that to my little "keep an eye out for" list. I dunno if I would like Growlancer or Yggdra. I'll keep an eye out for Brigandine, out of all the SRPG's we've mentioned, which do you think it plays most similar to?

I'm interested in Shining Force because it looks pretty similar to Fire Emblem, and it's made by the developers on Golden Sun, and those two are my favorite handheld series. Preferably, I'd be looking for SRPG's on the handheld because I usually play them at work (I have a job which involves lots of waiting), or on roadtrips.

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As for other JRPG's I own all the Suikodens except for II and IV, own Grandia for PS1 and Grandia 2 for Dreamcast, and I own XenoSaga 1. I loved XenoGears and XenoBlade so I want to try XenoSaga, but it has such a slow start and from clips I've seen it looks a bit boring, so I'm not going to get Ep 2 or 3 until I play 1 long enough to know if I like this or not.

Anyway, like I said you have a bit of a different taste in JRPG's then me, my favorite series have been Chrono Trigger/Cross, Super Mario RPG, Drakengard, Baten Kaitos, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun, Tactics Ogre, Suikoden, Front Mission, Tales of ___, and Retro FF games.

Lol I have a good collection up to N64/Dreamcast. PS1 and older, my collection is lacking. Vandal Hearts, Threads of Fate, Alundra, Brave Fencer, Panzer Dragoon (Saturn), and Secret of ___ games are what I think I'm interested in.

Well.  I'm mainly trying to list RPGs that you might not have played that are also good games.  This gen if you're a fan of RPGs you already know of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and as popular as Fire Emblem has became recently, that as well.  Although seeing as you didn't finish any Dragon Quest titles and most of the Final Fantasy series, I'd agree with other posts that say you should finish atleast FF4, 5, 6, 7, 9, and Dragon Quest 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.

Brigandine is actually like no other TRPG than Dark Wizard, so it can't really be compared to anything unless you've played Dark Wizard.  Doesn't help that Dark Wizard was on the Sega CD so it's even less known than Brigandine is.

Since you like the Tales series, you might like the Star Ocean series.  Star Ocean First Departure and Second Evolution are remakes on the PSP.  Second Evolution is less of a remake as it's the same game but relocalized, fully voiced, and two extra melee attacks are added to character attacks.  I'd recommend the PSX version of Second Story over Second Evolution though, if only because when I say fully voiced dialogue on the PSP version means fully voiced and you can't skip any of it if you read faster than the audio and want to skip it.  And there is "a lot" of storyline in this game.  Star Ocean 1 and 2 are the best in the series.  I'd recommend skipping the other two.  The Tales games are better, but these are good games and are as similar to the Tales games as you'll get without actually being Tales of whatever, except for Radiata Stories which is made by the same developer, Tri Ace(I own it but can't tell you if it's any good as it's still in my backlog.)

If you don't like the first Xenosaga, don't worry about it, that's understandable because the gameplay is complete garbage.  It's got some great mini games if you can make your way to them(XenoCard is amazing,) but I'd recommend watching the storyline to the first game and second game and then skipping both of them altogether.  The gameplay to Xenosaga 3 changes to be more closely represented of the standard RPG play style with a few small differences in gameplay and is a major upgrade in terms of the first two.  Goes from crappy game series with great storyline and dungeon/town design, atleast for the first one, to an all around good RPG.  You also have skill trees so you slightly have control in how each character plays(very slight.)  It's a very good game and the first two are pretty terrible which I didn't bother mentioning them.  Although if you can force yourself through the first one to get to play XenoCard you should eventually do that sometime(best mini game ever.  Seriously.) 

The first Xenosaga was so good that Namco cut it and made a four hour bonus DVD for preorders of Xenosaga 2.  They cut out a lot of stuff that really wasn't required in the game.  The beach part and such could shed a little background on Shion and such, but so could going through the other games l ike normal.  Video game storylines usually suck, but watching through Xenosaga 1 is like watching through one of the entertaining B rated movies, Xenosaga 2, other than the beginning which was really good, I tend to try and not remember the game.

Xenosaga Full Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbXiOvWFp0

Xenosaga 2 Full Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXGIkv6paY4

You should eventually try getting Suikoden 2 if you like the other games.  I prefer the first one, but the second one is more of the first game with more runes available, up to three runes equippable, and it's probably two to three times the length of the first one.  Other than that it's the same gameplay so if you really liked the first one you'll really like the second.  Pass on Suikoden 4. 

Also, depending on how far you played into FFTactics maybe you should play more of it and give it a chance.  I think that either a really good story( or really good gameplay is at the forefront of any game.  If the gameplay or story is good enough it can make up for the crappy gameplay(Xenosaga/amazing story,) or crappy story(Final Fantasy 10-2/amazing gameplay.)  FFTactics has a good story and gameplay, and while most of the game is about Ramza, especially early on, there is an underlying plot within it between multiple different characters.  The gameplay is also good and the job system in FFTactics allows for a more diverse gameplay than most TRPGs.



kupomogli said:
Michael-5 said:
 

Hm... I think you have a somewhat different taste in JRPG's then me.

Fire Emblem introduced me to SRPG's, and since then I've only played Fire Emblem, Front Mission, Advance Wars (although not an RPG), FF Tactics, Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre, ASH, and Jeanne d'Arc. I've played them pretty faithfully, I own all localized games and even some Japanese ones and for the most part beat them. I've also recently tried out Disgaea and in a weird way, I do like it.

FF Tactics was my least favorite SRPG of them all, it really focused on one character and felt like a traditional RPG with tactics gameplay. I think I really like the war theme in Tactic style games, and I love seeing character development. FE is known for character development, and I really like Front Missions style of story.

I've played Vandal Hearts, I'll probably add that to my little "keep an eye out for" list. I dunno if I would like Growlancer or Yggdra. I'll keep an eye out for Brigandine, out of all the SRPG's we've mentioned, which do you think it plays most similar to?

I'm interested in Shining Force because it looks pretty similar to Fire Emblem, and it's made by the developers on Golden Sun, and those two are my favorite handheld series. Preferably, I'd be looking for SRPG's on the handheld because I usually play them at work (I have a job which involves lots of waiting), or on roadtrips.

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As for other JRPG's I own all the Suikodens except for II and IV, own Grandia for PS1 and Grandia 2 for Dreamcast, and I own XenoSaga 1. I loved XenoGears and XenoBlade so I want to try XenoSaga, but it has such a slow start and from clips I've seen it looks a bit boring, so I'm not going to get Ep 2 or 3 until I play 1 long enough to know if I like this or not.

Anyway, like I said you have a bit of a different taste in JRPG's then me, my favorite series have been Chrono Trigger/Cross, Super Mario RPG, Drakengard, Baten Kaitos, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun, Tactics Ogre, Suikoden, Front Mission, Tales of ___, and Retro FF games.

Lol I have a good collection up to N64/Dreamcast. PS1 and older, my collection is lacking. Vandal Hearts, Threads of Fate, Alundra, Brave Fencer, Panzer Dragoon (Saturn), and Secret of ___ games are what I think I'm interested in.

Well.  I'm mainly trying to list RPGs that you might not have played that are also good games.  This gen if you're a fan of RPGs you already know of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and as popular as Fire Emblem has became recently, that as well.  Although seeing as you didn't finish any Dragon Quest titles and most of the Final Fantasy series, I'd agree with other posts that say you should finish atleast FF4, 5, 6, 7, 9, and Dragon Quest 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.

Brigandine is actually like no other TRPG than Dark Wizard, so it can't really be compared to anything unless you've played Dark Wizard.  Doesn't help that Dark Wizard was on the Sega CD so it's even less known than Brigandine is.

Since you like the Tales series, you might like the Star Ocean series.  Star Ocean First Departure and Second Evolution are remakes on the PSP.  Second Evolution is less of a remake as it's the same game but relocalized, fully voiced, and two extra melee attacks are added to character attacks.  I'd recommend the PSX version of Second Story over Second Evolution though, if only because when I say fully voiced dialogue on the PSP version means fully voiced and you can't skip any of it if you read faster than the audio and want to skip it.  And there is "a lot" of storyline in this game.  Star Ocean 1 and 2 are the best in the series.  I'd recommend skipping the other two.  The Tales games are better, but these are good games and are as similar to the Tales games as you'll get without actually being Tales of whatever, except for Radiata Stories which is made by the same developer, Tri Ace(I own it but can't tell you if it's any good as it's still in my backlog.)

If you don't like the first Xenosaga, don't worry about it, that's understandable because the gameplay is complete garbage.  It's got some great mini games if you can make your way to them(XenoCard is amazing,) but I'd recommend watching the storyline to the first game and second game and then skipping both of them altogether.  The gameplay to Xenosaga 3 changes to be more closely represented of the standard RPG play style with a few small differences in gameplay and is a major upgrade in terms of the first two.  Goes from crappy game series with great storyline and dungeon/town design, atleast for the first one, to an all around good RPG.  You also have skill trees so you slightly have control in how each character plays(very slight.)  It's a very good game and the first two are pretty terrible which I didn't bother mentioning them.  Although if you can force yourself through the first one to get to play XenoCard you should eventually do that sometime(best mini game ever.  Seriously.) 

The first Xenosaga was so good that Namco cut it and made a four hour bonus DVD for preorders of Xenosaga 2.  They cut out a lot of stuff that really wasn't required in the game.  The beach part and such could shed a little background on Shion and such, but so could going through the other games l ike normal.  Video game storylines usually suck, but watching through Xenosaga 1 is like watching through one of the entertaining B rated movies, Xenosaga 2, other than the beginning which was really good, I tend to try and not remember the game.

Xenosaga Full Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbXiOvWFp0

Xenosaga 2 Full Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXGIkv6paY4

You should eventually try getting Suikoden 2 if you like the other games.  I prefer the first one, but the second one is more of the first game with more runes available, up to three runes equippable, and it's probably two to three times the length of the first one.  Other than that it's the same gameplay so if you really liked the first one you'll really like the second.  Pass on Suikoden 4. 

Also, depending on how far you played into FFTactics maybe you should play more of it and give it a chance.  I think that either a really good story( or really good gameplay is at the forefront of any game.  If the gameplay or story is good enough it can make up for the crappy gameplay(Xenosaga/amazing story,) or crappy story(Final Fantasy 10-2/amazing gameplay.)  FFTactics has a good story and gameplay, and while most of the game is about Ramza, especially early on, there is an underlying plot within it between multiple different characters.  The gameplay is also good and the job system in FFTactics allows for a more diverse gameplay than most TRPGs.

Yea, I was taking a look at how many JRPG's I have to beat.... I have a lot, but the thing is I own them, so I can play them any time.

I own all the 3D Tales games (I don't like the 2D ones) and all the Star Oceans. I've beaten a few Tales games, but not a single Star Ocean. I also own Radiata Stories, all on my TDL.

Wow, great advice about XenoSaga. Yea, I played the first one for 2 hours and was really bored, but I liked XenoBlade and XenoGears so much, I also downloaded all the cutscenes of XenoSaga 2. Skimming over them they also looked kinda dull. I'll watch the movies and if I like it I'll get XenoSaga 3 and play that.

Suikoden II is one of the most expensive PS1 games, that's the problem. I've seen copies for $120, but no less. This is high on my watch list, but it might take me a while to find a copy even for under $60.

As for FF Tactics, I beat FF Tactics Advance, and played about 2-3 hours of A2 and War of the Lions each. They are good games, but to me Front Mission, Fire Emblem, Tactics Ogre, and Jeanne D'Arc are better SRPG's. Either way, I own them all, and they are also on my TDL.

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Basically, I wanted to ask what are good SRPG's because I think the JRPG's I own or plan to buy pretty much cover everything I want. (Check out My Games, I have basically everything updated). The few JRPG's which I think are great which I don't have, I don't have because they are expensive on ebay and hard to find elsewhere. I'm keeping an eye out hoping for a deal.

I have the first Shining Force, and I'll stick with that for now. When I eventually play it I'll judge the series. Thanks for all your other recommendations.

BTW I have a Sega CD, other then Dark Wizard and maybe Lunar and Shining Force CD, and recommendations? Tell me about Dark Wizard.

With the information you and others have given me, this is the list of JRPG's I'm looking out for:

Arc the Lad Collection and maybe Twislight of the Spirits (What do you recommend)
Blazing Heros

Brave Fencer Musashi
Breat of Fire 1 & 2
Brigandine Legend of Foresna
Chrono Trigger (have it for DS, wand it for SNES)
Dark Cloud 1 & 2
Dark Wizard (Maybe)
Disgaea 1, 3 & 4 (If I like 2, which I do so far)
Dragon Force (Saturn)
Dragon Warrior 3 (hoping it localized for 3DS)
Earthbound
Grandia 3
Kartia: The Word of Fate (Maybe)
Lunar: Eternal Blue (if I like Silver Star Harmony)
Ni No Kuni
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
Panzer Dragoon 1/Zwei/Saga
Resonance of Fate
Romancing Saga (PS2)
Secret of Evermore
Secret of Mana
Shadow Hearts 1/Covenant/New World
Shining Force 2/CD/Holy Ark/3 (If I like 1)
Soul Sacrifice (When I get a PSV years down the road)
Suikoden 2/4
Tales of the Abyss 3DS
Tales of Graces f
Tales of Xillia
Thousand Arms
Threads of Fate
Vagrant Story
XenoSaga 3 (If I like the Movies)

Bold games are games I added after everyones input.

Most of the games are low on my TDL because I should get a couple more main series FF games finished and a couple Dragon Quest and Star Ocean Games finished as well. However I like having a comprehensive list because sometimes I do find a deal. Like I said before I've purchased Super Mario RPG for $5, and Ogre Battle 64 (Complete) for $40, and FFVII for $30 I believe complete/black edition, among other deals. If I see say for instance Suikoden 2 or Shadow Hearts Covenant on sale, I don't have to debate it now because I have this list of games I've looked into.

Thanks for the info on Arc The Lad, it was hard finding info on it and I wasn;t sure about it. I passed the collection up for $30 in the past, had I known.

Any other recommendations?

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You know what's funny. Even with this pretty extensive list of games, and the fact I haven't beaten any 16/32 bit FF/DQ game, Pandora's Tower is the highest game on my TDL followed by Star Ocean: The Last Hope and Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (Kinda want to beat all of this gens offerings first). After that I'll probably be playing Translated mods of older Fire Emblem games or Front Mission 3/4 or Chrono Cross. FF and DQ really don't rank that high on my TDL. However once I get a 3DS XL I'll probably play DQ VI, VII, or IX, but I kninda know what to expect from FF games since I have beaten I, II, X, Tactics, Crystal Chronicles and most of VII and some of VI.

However for handhelds, I've beaten nearly every good JRPG pre-DS (except for console remakes like FFVI and Sword of Mana), and I think I'll finish most of my PSP/DS JRPG's and remakes within the next 2-3 years or so. FF and DQ games do rank high on my TDL for handhelds.



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kain_kusanagi said:
If you are into JRPG and don't have a Saturn than you should get one for more than the awsome Shinning Force 3. Panzer Dragoon Saga is the single greatest 32bit era RPG and even though it is rare expensive it is worth the price of entry. Do yourself a favor and discover what all of us Sega fans were talking about during the Saturn's underrated life.

Compare Panzer Dragoon Saga to Panzer Dragoon Orta for Xbox (which I have). Also, of all the Saturn games, is PD Saga the only good game, or would you also recommend PD , PD Zwei, Blazing Heros, Shing Force 3, Dragon Force, etc?

Also would you sya Panzer Dragoon Saga is better then all the 16 bit JRPG's? Is it better then Chrono Trigger, FF VI, Dragon Quest VI, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore, Front Mission, etc?



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I didn't like Shining the Holy Ark, but i thought shining force 3 was amazing.



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Michael-5 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
If you are into JRPG and don't have a Saturn than you should get one for more than the awsome Shinning Force 3. Panzer Dragoon Saga is the single greatest 32bit era RPG and even though it is rare expensive it is worth the price of entry. Do yourself a favor and discover what all of us Sega fans were talking about during the Saturn's underrated life.

Compare Panzer Dragoon Saga to Panzer Dragoon Orta for Xbox (which I have). Also, of all the Saturn games, is PD Saga the only good game, or would you also recommend PD , PD Zwei, Blazing Heros, Shing Force 3, Dragon Force, etc?

Also would you sya Panzer Dragoon Saga is better then all the 16 bit JRPG's? Is it better then Chrono Trigger, FF VI, Dragon Quest VI, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore, Front Mission, etc?

I'll answer you point by point.

Compare Panzer Dragoon Saga to Panzer Dragoon Orta for Xbox (which I have).

Orta is a rail shoot. A very good rail shooter, but just an actiong ame with amazing art design and mythos. Panzer Dragoon Saga is a RPG with the best battle system in the "turn based" genre. It's a big epic RPG with so much to see and everything you experience will be unlike anything you've experiences from any other RPG.

Also, of all the Saturn games, is PD Saga the only good gam.

No. The Saturn is overflowing with underrated classics that most people missed out on. Not all of them are exclusive, but the exclusive ones are worth owning a Saturn for.

would you also recommend PD , PD Zwei, Blazing Heros, Shing Force 3, Dragon Force, etc?

I'm not a big fan of Blazing heroes, but others do like it. I wouldn't call it a must own. Dragon Force not my kind of game, but anyone can see it's briliant. All the Panzer Dragoon games are amazing rail shooters so if you liked Orta than you'll probably love Zwei and you should enjoy the original. Panzer Dragoon Saga is the only one that goes beyond the standard rail shooter though, but it's also the best for a lot of other reasons. Shinning Force is a great series of games and Shinning Force 3 is my favorite of them.

I would also recommend the following Saturn exclusives games:

Burning Rangers - Action

Magic Knight Rayearth - Adventure

Guardian Heroes - Beat'em up

Astal - 2D Platformer

Virtua Cop 1 & 2 - Lightgun Shooter

Nights Into Dreams - Side Scroller

House of the Dead - Lightgun Shooter

Sega Rally Championship Edition - Racer

Virtua Fighter 2 - Fighter

Legend of Oasis - Adventure

Die Hard Arcade - Beat'em Up

Fighters Mega Mix - Fighter

Daytona USA CCE - Racer

Albert Odysee: Legend of Eldean - RPG

Radiant Silvergun - Shooter

Fighting Vipers - Fighter

Shinning Wisdom - Adventure

Shinning the Holy Ark - RPG

Dark Savior - Adventure

Manx TT Superbike - Racer

Saturn Bomberman - Party Action

Last Bronx - Fighter

Steep Slope Sliders -  Snowboarding

Sonic R - Racer (Only as an example of Saturn graphics)

Sonic Jam - Collection(For the first appearance of 3D Sonic adventure gameplay)

Deep Fear - Survival Horror

Virtual On - Mech Combat

High Volocity - Racer

Clockwork Knight 1 & 2 - 2D Platformer

Enemy Zero - Adventure Thriller

Gun Griffin 1 & 2 - Mech Warfare


Also would you sya Panzer Dragoon Saga is better then all the 16 bit JRPG's? Is it better then Chrono Trigger, FF VI, Dragon Quest VI, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore, Front Mission, etc?

It's my favorite so I would. But that's just my opinion. There are lots of great RPG that deserve just as much respect as Panzer Dragoon Saga. Panzer Dragoon Saga doesn't follow any of the cliches in RPG gameplay so for me it was a big breath of fresh air and ever since I look at the combat of most standard JRPG as outdated. I've never known anyone to lot like Panzer Dragoon Saga after playing it.



kain_kusanagi said:
Michael-5 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
If you are into JRPG and don't have a Saturn than you should get one for more than the awsome Shinning Force 3. Panzer Dragoon Saga is the single greatest 32bit era RPG and even though it is rare expensive it is worth the price of entry. Do yourself a favor and discover what all of us Sega fans were talking about during the Saturn's underrated life.

Compare Panzer Dragoon Saga to Panzer Dragoon Orta for Xbox (which I have). Also, of all the Saturn games, is PD Saga the only good game, or would you also recommend PD , PD Zwei, Blazing Heros, Shing Force 3, Dragon Force, etc?

Also would you sya Panzer Dragoon Saga is better then all the 16 bit JRPG's? Is it better then Chrono Trigger, FF VI, Dragon Quest VI, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore, Front Mission, etc?

I'll answer you point by point.

Compare Panzer Dragoon Saga to Panzer Dragoon Orta for Xbox (which I have).

Orta is a rail shoot. A very good rail shooter, but just an actiong ame with amazing art design and mythos. Panzer Dragoon Saga is a RPG with the best battle system in the "turn based" genre. It's a big epic RPG with so much to see and everything you experience will be unlike anything you've experiences from any other RPG.

Also, of all the Saturn games, is PD Saga the only good game.

No. The Saturn is overflowing with underrated classics that most people missed out on. Not all of them are exclusive, but the exclusive ones are worth owning a Saturn for.

would you also recommend PD , PD Zwei, Blazing Heros, Shing Force 3, Dragon Force, etc?

I'm not a big fan of Blazing heroes, but others do like it. I wouldn't call it a must own. Dragon Force not my kind of game, but anyone can see it's briliant. All the Panzer Dragoon games are amazing rail shooters so if you liked Orta than you'll probably love Zwei and you should enjoy the original. Panzer Dragoon Saga is the only one that goes beyond the standard rail shooter though, but it's also the best for a lot of other reasons. Shinning Force is a great series of games and Shinning Force 3 is my favorite of them.

I would also recommend the following Saturn exclusives games:

Burning Rangers - Action

Magic Knight Rayearth - Adventure

Legend of Oasis - Adventure

Albert Odysee: Legend of Eldean - RPG

Shinning Wisdom - Adventure

Shinning the Holy Ark - RPG

Dark Savior - Adventure

Saturn Bomberman - Party Action

Sonic Jam - Collection(For the first appearance of 3D Sonic adventure gameplay)

Deep Fear - Survival Horror

Virtual On - Mech Combat

High Volocity - Racer

Gun Griffin 1 & 2 - Mech Warfare


Also would you sya Panzer Dragoon Saga is better then all the 16 bit JRPG's? Is it better then Chrono Trigger, FF VI, Dragon Quest VI, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore, Front Mission, etc?

It's my favorite so I would. But that's just my opinion. There are lots of great RPG that deserve just as much respect as Panzer Dragoon Saga. Panzer Dragoon Saga doesn't follow any of the cliches in RPG gameplay so for me it was a big breath of fresh air and ever since I look at the combat of most standard JRPG as outdated. I've never known anyone to lot like Panzer Dragoon Saga after playing it.

I played the original Panzer Dragoon, it reminded me a lot of Starfox, and yes I liked it and Orta. I don't like it enough to justify buying a system for it, but I often hear Saga is significantly better then the rest mainly since it's actually an RPG.

I'll look into that list of Saturn Games, but I can immediatly tell that I don't like a lot of them, or I can play similar games on other consoles (House of the Dead/Daytona). However because of you, I'm inspired to took for copy's of the original 3 Panzer Dragoon games, and a Saturn console. I have a Sega CD, with only 1 game right now (Sonic CD), but still, it's kinda nice.

However this is likely not going to happen until I get a full time career and have money. Like you said there are only 30,000 copies of Saga in North America, I doubt I'll find one at a garage sale or ghetto used game store. This will be an expensive investment, but I think if I get all the games I mentioned in a previous post, including the Saturn and a couple of it's unique titles, then I can consider myself a true hardcore gamer, and then I can say I have a complete collection of every game I like.

Not sure if I'll get a Virtual Boy....LOL. I do own Virtual Boy Wario Land (thought it was a GB game as a kid) and Mario's Tennis, but other then that, that system didn't offer anything, and I probably wouldn't play Wario Land if I had the system.

Last Question: Out of all of Saturns Gems, which would you consider must have games?

Don't mention a game unless you honestly think it's worth an 8/10 or higher.

P.S. I was just reading Wikipedia about some of these games. Panzer Dragoon 1 is included in Orta entirely.



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Michael-5 said:


Last Question: Out of all of Saturns Gems, which would you consider must have games?

Don't mention a game unless you honestly think it's worth an 8/10 or higher.

P.S. I was just reading Wikipedia about some of these games. Panzer Dragoon 1 is included in Orta entirely.

Must Have 8/10 (IMO) or Higher Sega Saturn Exclusives:


Panzer Dragoon Saga - RPG

Panzer Dragoon Zwei - Rail Shooter

Panzer Dragoon - Rail Shooter

Burning Rangers - Action

Magic Knight Rayearth - Adventure

Guardian Heroes - Beat'em up

Nights Into Dreams - Side Scroller

Sega Rally Championship Edition - Racer

Virtua Fighter 2 - Fighter

Fighters Mega Mix - Fighter

Daytona USA CCE - Racer

Albert Odysee: Legend of Eldean - RPG

Radiant Silvergun - Shooter

Shinning the Holy Ark - RPG

Last Bronx - Fighter

Virtual On - Mech Combat

Enemy Zero - Adventure Thriller

Gun Griffon 1 & 2 - Mech Warfare

 

Radiant Silvergun got an XBLA port and like you mentioned Panzer Dragoon is unlockable in Panzer Dragoon Orta. But other than those two I think this is a great list of what the Saturn has that nothing else does.

If you like the genres of the games on this list you should enjoy the games.

BTW: If you're into 2D fighters the Saturn has a ton. They aren't exclusive, but for the time they were the best home versions. Some require a 2meg or 4meg cart to play. Also when you get your Saturn you will want to hunt down an Anologue controller and a memory cart. The Saturn has built in memory, but it runs on a battery and when the batter runs out you lose your saves when you change the batter. A memary cart solves that issue and gives a ton more space for saves.

One more thing. If you are planning to import games you can either get an ST-Key cart or a 4in1 Action Replay. The bonus of the 4in1 is it also has the extra megs for those fighters I mentions. If you're thinking of modding your Saturn for backups, make sure to get the Model 2 Saturn, because it's the easy one to put a mod chip in.