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Forums - Nintendo - Put a fork in the Wii U, it is done. [Sensible discussion only, no flaming]

Captain_Tom said:

 

P.S.  I read at a 12th grade level in 2nd grade and I am in the top 0.1% in reading comprehension now [Studying Mechanical Engineering in College].  I am gonna guess you are near the bottom of the top 50% in writing for people your age.


Hahaha there is always someone better than you. I had that problem of assuming I was the best at everything. I'll admit though you're better than me at reading books. I'm a mechy too!



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Osc89 said:

Max King of the Wild said:

Naw, nintendo didn't gain that many overly estatic fans that will buy anything Nintendo because of the Wii. They will sell more than the Game Cube but that doesn't mean the hardest of the hard nintendo fans increased much. It just means they are doing a better job of attracting the people that don't have loyalty


I agree, if anything they have lost fans because of the Wii. At least for me Nintendo has gone from tied for first console choice to secondary console only for first party games, and that was all because of the Wii. I haven't even got the Wii U yet, not sure if it is worth it right now. All this was because they wanted to be the latest fad product, rather than keep the base happy.

I don't agree with you there. I was a fan of Nintendo before, became even more of a fan after Wii's release(till 2010, tough), which was the only last-gen console that actually gave me new game experiences and offered more game variety than FPSs, TPSs or other generic shooters PS3 and 360 mostly received. It's one of the worst Nintendo consoles though, but, comparing it to the PS3 and 360 certainly helped it in my personal view. My only problem with the Wii was with how Nintendo managed the console. After 2010, arguably the best year software-wise for the Wii, Nintendo completely stopped supporting it(causing third-parties to do the same) and left the console without 2 or 3 noteworthy game releases for 2 years. Even though I find the Wii to be the best console this generation, Nintendo managed it like s***, which is one of the reasons I'm wary of buying the Wii U(the other one being the fact that I don't have money to buy one).



Max King of the Wild said:
snowdog said:
I think my sales targets are quite realistic given the software that's coming. It's sold around 3m already and I can't see it doing too badly during the 8 months between now and November. Should do 3m in 8 months quite comfortably, if not more. And sales will explode when a 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 hit the shop shelves before Black Friday, even without a price cut.

The Wii U's main two problems are lack of new software for the last two months and shite marketing. And both of those issues I'm sure will be dealt with between now and the end of the year, we already know what software's on the way and that's before any E3 Megatons are dropped.



Ps3 shipped 2 million in the same time frame and the Wii U is selling less than the Ps3 has this year already. Wii U will ship less than 2 million and you expect it to sell 3? You might be right if Nintendo discontinues it for some stupid reason and it goes on a fire salee at 200$ a piece



The PS3 was ridiculously expensive, the Wii U is more affordable (despite the recession) and the 2 month software drought is ending with several key titles (Lego City Undercover, Monster Hunter, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Dragon Quest X, Wii Fit U and Game & Wario) launching during these next few months, some with hardware bundles.

3m sold between now and November is a realistic target.



snowdog said:
I think my sales targets are quite realistic given the software that's coming. It's sold around 3m already and I can't see it doing too badly during the 8 months between now and November. Should do 3m in 8 months quite comfortably, if not more. And sales will explode when a 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 hit the shop shelves before Black Friday, even without a price cut.

The Wii U's main two problems are lack of new software for the last two months and shite marketing. And both of those issues I'm sure will be dealt with between now and the end of the year, we already know what software's on the way and that's before any E3 Megatons are dropped.


I took your figures at face value but out of curiosity I checked them out myself. The Wii U hasn't even sold 3mil yet. They have sold closer to 2.7m according to VGC and that is if they haven't over tracked them. We know retailers are slashing prices like mad in UK without getting generous results. Nintendo shipped 3m Wii U's at the end of December and looking at NPD and mediacrate they will be lucky to ship another 500k in this quarter. Less than 800k on shelves would be pretty supply constrained but since Wii U is selling so slowly maybe retailers only want 1 or 2 per store and 800k for the Wii U is actually a healthy amount in retail.

Anyway back to your figures, 2.7mil in 4 months. According to VGC (which I don't personally like to use much) the Wii U is selling 30k a week... To even reach 3mil it would take 10 weeks alone at it's current pace! obviously it will fluctuate... and you are asking it to do 3.3mil in 28 weeks? It would need to sell an average of 120k a week to do that!

The Wii U WILL NOT sell 6mil by the end of October.



snowdog said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
snowdog said:


Before the end of the calendar year the Wii U will have an installed userbase between 10m and 15m. Guaranteed.


Guaranteed? Be careful, someone that likes bets could take this one.



It'll do 10m easy as long as 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 in particular release before Black Friday.

It's sold around 3m so far, should do another 3m at least between now and November and should do 4m between November and the end of the year, even without a price cut.

What's going to be more interesting is whether analysts, gaming journalists and forum members will start harping on about Sony and Microsoft going third party when the more expensive PS4 and 720 have worse launches in terms of sales than the Wii U.

Sony have made a huge mistake in opting for 8GB of GDDR5 and a GPU pushing 1.8TFlops, and if the rumours are true about the 720 needing to be always online and not being able to play used games then both the PS4 and 720 could struggle to sell, particularly after Christmas and the New Year.

If the Wii U has the $50 price cut I think it's going to have then we could be looking at the Wii U retailing for $249.99/$299.99, the PS4 retailing for (imo) $449.99/$499.99 and the 720 for $399.99/$449.99 and the Wii U having the advantage of a bigger software library (assuming that neither the PS4 and 720 have backwards compatibility).

Sony in particular could be in BIG trouble this gen.


Those are a lot of assumptions you are trying to get for granted. You are not considering the impressive way that the PS3 has sold in spite of its horrible starting price and deny the strength of the Playstation brand. You are taking for granted that Sony and Micro will have worst launches than the WiiU. You don't even know the details those consoles' launch.

You are not taking in consideration how more expensive consoles have sold better than cheaper ones which renders your argument that WiiU's lower price would help them somehow. If people are not interested in the WiiU they won't buy it just because it is cheap. The price of the Dreamcast was way low compared to PS2 launch and it didn't stop PS2 from dominating in sells.

Why are the PS4 specs a huge mistake and why do you take it for granted?

The launch Mario game was the follow up to one of the best selling Marios of all time and it sells have not been anything extraordinary, especially in comparison with its predecesor. I feel that a lot of the games that sold all those insane amount of millions rode the popularity wave of the Wii and it's Sport & Fit popular games. The Wii's 3D Mario did not sell nowhere nears what the Wii's 2D Mario sold, and what has the succesor of 2D Mario in the WiiU sold? Again, don't be surpirse to see successful games of the Wii and their WiiU sequel underperforming in comparison to their predecessors.

I am pretty sure that this generation will be either Micro or Sony's to take, unless WiiU pulls a miracle. If the Playstation ever dies, I rather keep seeing its incredible first party games continued somewhere else.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

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snowdog said:
Max King of the Wild said:
snowdog said:
I think my sales targets are quite realistic given the software that's coming. It's sold around 3m already and I can't see it doing too badly during the 8 months between now and November. Should do 3m in 8 months quite comfortably, if not more. And sales will explode when a 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 hit the shop shelves before Black Friday, even without a price cut.

The Wii U's main two problems are lack of new software for the last two months and shite marketing. And both of those issues I'm sure will be dealt with between now and the end of the year, we already know what software's on the way and that's before any E3 Megatons are dropped.



Ps3 shipped 2 million in the same time frame and the Wii U is selling less than the Ps3 has this year already. Wii U will ship less than 2 million and you expect it to sell 3? You might be right if Nintendo discontinues it for some stupid reason and it goes on a fire salee at 200$ a piece



The PS3 was ridiculously expensive, the Wii U is more affordable (despite the recession) and the 2 month software drought is ending with several key titles (Lego City Undercover, Monster Hunter, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Dragon Quest X, Wii Fit U and Game & Wario) launching during these next few months, some with hardware bundles.

3m sold between now and November is a realistic target.

They barely sold 3 million with the Christmas holiday rush + New Super Mario Bros U + Nintendo Land + Call of Duty Black Ops 2 + Assassin's Creed 3 + Zombi U + Scribblenauts U and the launch/early adopter rush. 

I dunno. I think Wii Fit U is gonna underperform big time too. I think Nintendo is going to have a hard time explaining to that audience why they need to pay $300+ to play another Wii Fit when most people probably gave up on their Wii Fit program years ago. 

I think there's gonna be a price cut by June though so that should help but things like Pikmin 3 are not selling hardware. 



RazorDragon said:
Osc89 said:

Max King of the Wild said:

Naw, nintendo didn't gain that many overly estatic fans that will buy anything Nintendo because of the Wii. They will sell more than the Game Cube but that doesn't mean the hardest of the hard nintendo fans increased much. It just means they are doing a better job of attracting the people that don't have loyalty


I agree, if anything they have lost fans because of the Wii. At least for me Nintendo has gone from tied for first console choice to secondary console only for first party games, and that was all because of the Wii. I haven't even got the Wii U yet, not sure if it is worth it right now. All this was because they wanted to be the latest fad product, rather than keep the base happy.

I don't agree with you there. I was a fan of Nintendo before, became even more of a fan after Wii's release(till 2010, tough), which was the only last-gen console that actually gave me new game experiences and offered more game variety than FPSs, TPSs or other generic shooters PS3 and 360 mostly received. It's one of the worst Nintendo consoles though, but, comparing it to the PS3 and 360 certainly helped it in my personal view. My only problem with the Wii was with how Nintendo managed the console. After 2010, arguably the best year software-wise for the Wii, Nintendo completely stopped supporting it(causing third-parties to do the same) and left the console without 2 or 3 noteworthy game releases for 2 years. Even though I find the Wii to be the best console this generation, Nintendo managed it like s***, which is one of the reasons I'm wary of buying the Wii U(the other one being the fact that I don't have money to buy one).

You didn't keep up with gaming much then.



neither lack of 3rd party support, nor laughable clowns aka hardcore gamers or HW power is relevant to success or failure of WiiU, the OP is build upon nothing.



ugh

Sensible discussion is requested with that type of OP?

I'll see you in January when WiiU is well over 10m SOLD (hint, that is more than PS360 each sold in first year).



Max King of the Wild said:
RazorDragon said:

I don't agree with you there. I was a fan of Nintendo before, became even more of a fan after Wii's release(till 2010, tough), which was the only last-gen console that actually gave me new game experiences and offered more game variety than FPSs, TPSs or other generic shooters PS3 and 360 mostly received. It's one of the worst Nintendo consoles though, but, comparing it to the PS3 and 360 certainly helped it in my personal view. My only problem with the Wii was with how Nintendo managed the console. After 2010, arguably the best year software-wise for the Wii, Nintendo completely stopped supporting it(causing third-parties to do the same) and left the console without 2 or 3 noteworthy game releases for 2 years. Even though I find the Wii to be the best console this generation, Nintendo managed it like s***, which is one of the reasons I'm wary of buying the Wii U(the other one being the fact that I don't have money to buy one).

You didn't keep up with gaming much then.


I bought a 360 in 2011 to play some JRPGs and Halo and I had been playing the 360/PS3 multiplatforms on PC before I bought a Wii in 2008. What I posted is only my opinion, tough, so you're free to disagree.