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Are sony fans getting over confident?

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CGI-Quality said:
Max King of the Wild said:
CGI-Quality said:
360 - 74,519,356
PS3 - 73,206,500

Didn't realize it had gotten that close. :O



Also Nintendos latest info showed ps3 and 360 being undertracked here. However, its undertracked more so for the ps3... so gap is closer than that. and thats just for Europe.

I wonder what the difference really is, then.

Most likely the gap is almost completely gone.  Tetton said he thought they were at 77M on Feb 21st.  But, let's play it safe and say they are only at 76M, instead.  This would put ~2.9M on shelves in Febuary, a slower month.  The max that VGC has had the PS3 at was 1.5M on shelves.  So, this would mean that the PS3 is AT LEAST ~1.4M undertracked. 

Now, MS announced the 360 was at 76M shipped on Feb 12th.  This would put ~1.7M on shelves.  A much more believable number, but let's just say the real number is 1.5M, too.  This would mean that the 360 is only 200K undertracked.

So, our new numbers would be PS3 - 74.6M and 360 - 74.7M.



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Max King of the Wild said:


We have nintendo numbers which says 360 and ps3 undertracked in europe but more so for ps3.

I know, and it means nothing without knowing the exact numbers for each.



                            

Is it really hard to understand (especially for some fans here) to understand that 360 only lead ps3 now because more than 1 year (Eu launch of ps3 was a delayed one) of head start?
PS3 beats 360 comprehensively by millions in launch aligned sales chart.
Deal with it.



Carl2291 said:
Max King of the Wild said:


We have nintendo numbers which says 360 and ps3 undertracked in europe but more so for ps3.

I know, and it means nothing without knowing the exact numbers for each.

But, we do for shipments.  At least from Febuary.  MS announced 26M in mid-Feb, while Tretton said 77M (he thought) in late-Feb.  Even if you say it really is 26M for Sony, it's obvious that Sony has either passed MS this quarter or will next quarter.  So, it still qualifies as being relevant in some MS fans' eyes, as it will happen before the launch of the new consoles. 



Carl2291 said:
theshonen8899 said:

You don't seem to get the point. The PS3 was released a year after the 360. The means the PS3 has sold far more units per year than the Xbox 360. It's barely third in absolute sales (which means nothing), but second in sales per units by a wide margin, the only statistic that actually makes sense. If you REALLY want to use total sale, you'd need to add in the last year of PS2's sales to the PS3's sales to properly compare it to the 360, which is still larger.

There are more 360's sold worldwide than there are PS3's sold worldwide. Your "point" doesnt matter.

360 - 74,519,356
PS3 - 73,206,500

The PS3 is in 3rd place. No matter how many different excuses you use. No matter how much you try spin the numbers. The headstart doesnt matter. Aligned launches dont matter. Units per year doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if you want to add PS2 numbers to the PS3 total.

The PS3 is in 3rd place.

PS3. 3rd place.

3rd place.


There's no spinning the numbers, it's your idiotic lack of logic. If the Xbox 360 starts sales an entire year earlier than the PS3, how the hell do you still say it's second place?

But sure, go ahead. Say it's third place. Doesn't matter, because at the end of the day Sony is racking in more cash with more consoles than Microsoft every year. But if calling PS3 "3rd place" make you sleep at night, good for you kid.

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maximrace said:

Lately a lot of threads start popping up praising the ps4 great functions and saying it will win nextgen hands down. Meanwhile their biggest opponent hasn't announced anything yet.

Or threads praising certain sony products while the company itself is still in dire financial problems.

So just an easy question; do you think sony fans are getting over confident?


They think that others won because of Sony's failures. So to read others had luck that Sony had such a bad start. Now they don't see any mistakes by Sony, so it is clear to them that Sony will win next gen.



For people saying that Sony will definitely win next gen yes they are getting over confident, other than that I see nothing wrong with hyping up and getting excited about a new console.



theshonen8899 said:
Carl2291 said:
theshonen8899 said:

You don't seem to get the point. The PS3 was released a year after the 360. The means the PS3 has sold far more units per year than the Xbox 360. It's barely third in absolute sales (which means nothing), but second in sales per units by a wide margin, the only statistic that actually makes sense. If you REALLY want to use total sale, you'd need to add in the last year of PS2's sales to the PS3's sales to properly compare it to the 360, which is still larger.

There are more 360's sold worldwide than there are PS3's sold worldwide. Your "point" doesnt matter.

360 - 74,519,356
PS3 - 73,206,500

The PS3 is in 3rd place. No matter how many different excuses you use. No matter how much you try spin the numbers. The headstart doesnt matter. Aligned launches dont matter. Units per year doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if you want to add PS2 numbers to the PS3 total.

The PS3 is in 3rd place.

PS3. 3rd place.

3rd place.


There's no spinning the numbers, it's your idiotic lack of logic. If the Xbox 360 starts sales an entire year earlier than the PS3, how the hell do you still say it's second place?

But sure, go ahead. Say it's third place. Doesn't matter, because at the end of the day Sony is racking in more cash with more consoles than Microsoft every year. But if calling PS3 "3rd place" make you sleep at night, good for you kid.

It is in third place, as of current known numbers. 

You can't say a runner has won until he managed to overtake those in front of him. If a runner starts running after all the other runners, even if he's the fastest of them all, unless he overtakes 'em all, he's not going to get the gold.

Yes, the PS3 is running faster than the 360. But so far, it's still catching up. 



CGI-Quality said:
theshonen8899 said:

 it's your idiotic lack of logic

This is really unneccessary. :/

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Carl2291 said:
theshonen8899 said:

You don't seem to get the point. The PS3 was released a year after the 360. The means the PS3 has sold far more units per year than the Xbox 360. It's barely third in absolute sales (which means nothing), but second in sales per units by a wide margin, the only statistic that actually makes sense. If you REALLY want to use total sale, you'd need to add in the last year of PS2's sales to the PS3's sales to properly compare it to the 360, which is still larger.

There are more 360's sold worldwide than there are PS3's sold worldwide. Your "point" doesnt matter.

360 - 74,519,356
PS3 - 73,206,500

The PS3 is in 3rd place. No matter how many different excuses you use. No matter how much you try spin the numbers. The headstart doesnt matter. Aligned launches dont matter. Units per year doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if you want to add PS2 numbers to the PS3 total.

The PS3 is in 3rd place.

PS3. 3rd place.

3rd place.

Lets look at some points here :

1) 1 year headstart in sales
2) aligned launch dates sees ps3 outselling 360 consistently
3) sells more units per year
4) lower failure rate thus..
5) higher number of functional units in the retail stream

So yeah, by the numbers 360 is ahead of the ps3, but by logic it's solid third, and even the one point it's ahead in won't be the case for much longer, enjoy it while it lasts.

But hey, let me predict your argument in a few months time 'ahead in the US and that's the biggest market so it's still second place, doesn't matter if ps3 has sold more'

To op, it's all relative, i've seen just as many nintendo/microsoft fans getting overconfident that their system will be better than the ps4 recently as i have, seeing overconfident sony fans, but let me paint a little picture in your mind.

Microsoft's console launched a year ahead of the playstation 3, the playstation 3 launched at a rediculously high price when it finally came out and was hated by the media and developers, for the price, sonys arrogance and the architecture respectively, despite that massive disadvantage and being hated for neigh on two years from launch, 6 years on it's now only around 1 million behind this generations 'golden child' the xbox 360, all that advantage only gives microsoft a 1m sales advantage?, it doesn't matter what microsoft pull out of the bag, if both the ps4 and 720 launch within months of each other, the 720 will lag behind from the get go, or soon after in global sales, sure american sales will probably see the 720 on top, but as time goes on the gap between 720 and ps4's sales will increase dramatically - ps4 is launching in the same timeframe, with both media and developers praising the machine, theres no handicap this time round, microsoft have no advantage, you can try to spin that however you want but it's just basic fact.

With that in mind, the only real contender to the ps4 right now is the WiiU, and that hinges solely on software as the hardware is already sat in homes waiting to run the games.