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Forums - Sales - So it's widely known as a fact that many Nintendo games have ridiculous legs. But here's the question that no one really bother to ask...why is this so?

Mummelmann said:

Where do people get this notion? There is no evidence for this yet I see it all the time now after the Wii U launched. When NSMB arrived on the Wii, it was hailed as a massive system seller, now that the Wii U isn't doing so well the series has never been a system seller, queer logic. Software is not the main problem the Wii U faces, NSMB is still a system selling franchise but the Wii U lacks basic appeal.

PS: People paid 599$ for a PS3 many years ago to play Lair... the launch line-up was truly pitiful. The 360 had Perfect Dark Zero, not a very good game and neither of them are anything even remotely similar to NSMB in size and importance, yet the consoles sold because they had basic appeal and in spite of their launch line-up rather than because of it.


Hum, whats that you say? People are altering their perception of reality to cover up a system that isn't selling well? I'm pretty sure this reminds me of something....

What OP hasn't considered is specs can sell systems e.g. bluray drive. A lot of people are happy to wait a bit if the console shows promise. Sadly when we compare the Wii U to the PS4 demos, the Wii U really is offering a lot less potential. 



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When did my Nintendo software topic turn into a WiiU topic?

You guys just wish your beloved franchises had Mario legs.



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)

Their consoles are marketed as Mario playing machines.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Because of the nostalgia. I mean, who don't remember the first Wii Fit or the first Wii Sports released so many years ago?

That's why.



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BasilZero said:
@Mazty - You take Forbes as a serious source? No wonder you rage at people for calling the PS1 PSX and people having an opinion on alcohol.

Again , you fail to provide me an example of a game on PS3 and Xbox360 that has sold as much as the examples I gave when I asked you.

You call it cherry picking, I call it facts.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5192781

You have yet to tell me why Mario is considered a failure in terms of what the thread is talking about - sales legs. I provided my reason on why it is and you have yet to give me an actual reason why it isnt since you bothered to quote me on my reason.

You denied it without giving a reason and no the Wii-U is not a reason for its failure - the wii-U's failure is due to the changing of times, prices and the lack of a third party support or enough first party impact.

Use the 3DS as a prime example of a generation that is being affected by the changing of times.


If you don't think Forbes is a serious source, you clearly don't understand buisness. Go work your ad hominems somewhere else. 

How'd Halo 3/each Halo game do in terms of sales?

The fact you just write off Forbes as a source shows that you really shouldn't be discussing buisness ;)



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BasilZero said:
Mazty said:
BasilZero said:
@Mazty - You take Forbes as a serious source? No wonder you rage at people for calling the PS1 PSX and people having an opinion on alcohol.

Again , you fail to provide me an example of a game on PS3 and Xbox360 that has sold as much as the examples I gave when I asked you.

You call it cherry picking, I call it facts.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5192781

You have yet to tell me why Mario is considered a failure in terms of what the thread is talking about - sales legs. I provided my reason on why it is and you have yet to give me an actual reason why it isnt since you bothered to quote me on my reason.

You denied it without giving a reason and no the Wii-U is not a reason for its failure - the wii-U's failure is due to the changing of times, prices and the lack of a third party support or enough first party impact.

Use the 3DS as a prime example of a generation that is being affected by the changing of times.


If you don't think Forbes is a serious source, you clearly don't understand buisness. Go work your ad hominems somewhere else. 

How'd Halo 3/each Halo game do in terms of sales?

The fact you just write off Forbes as a source shows that you really shouldn't be discussing buisness ;)

I could care less what outside source you use especially one that is irrelevant to the topic at hand - I used this site's sources unless you are saying the numbers I posted are wrong or that my data analysis is wrong when comparing to the topic which is in a nutshell: "Why do Nintendo games have ridiculous legs".

How'd Halo3/each halo game do? Less than all the Wii games I listed.

The fact that you rage about people calling the PS1 a PSX shows that you shouldnt be a gamer. You want to downplay me, fair enough I can do the same to you with your alcoholic obessions and acronym obessions.


How much less? The saying is "I couldn't care less" otherwise are you saying that on a scale of 1 - 10, 1 being not caring at all, 10 being human extinction, you care on a 9? Or a 4? Maybe 7?

I'm saying that you cherry picked poor performing games on the PS3 to compare to Nintendo game sales. Just replace one with Halo 3 and another with God of War 3 for a fair comparison. 

Because I think calling a console by it's development name is rediculous (something shown by the fact is hasn't been done since) I shouldn't be a gamer? How'd you work that one out? Please explain your logic in that argument. 

Either way, it's known that Nintendo games have legs because the time between sequels is much, much longer. CoD comes out each year, the same cannot be said about a 2d/3d Mario .



Mazty said:

What OP hasn't considered is specs can sell systems e.g. bluray drive.


The PS3 was pretty much the cheapest blu-ray drive when it first released considering most blu-ray players were near $1,000.  Also, most of those old blu-ray players have compatibility issues. 

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/02/samsung-sued-over-defective-first-gen-blu-ray-players/

So basically the PS3 was the best blu-ray player at the time and it played games.



Devil_Survivor said:
It because they focus on gameplay, and the experience that people get from the game, in contrast to the competition which just try use graphics to please their fans who just like to jerk off to the visuals.

I don't know about the rest of this thread, but I'm still trying to figure out why that other poster got banned and this one didn't even get moderated.  I guess absurd gross generalizations about one particular fanbase are off-limit but the others aren't?  That's interesting.



BasilZero said:

1.2394933934 - thats how much I care about your sources.

Hi, I told you to list a game that was comparable to the ones I listed from Nintendo that is from Sony/Microsoft - you instead decided to go ahead and post about something else - so I provided you the top most sold first party franchise/game from each side. Again God of War 3 and Halo 3 does not match up to what I was looking for but nice try.

The logic is why should you a average gamer worry about what someone calls a system that hasnt even been relevant to the industry in terms of sales impact hardware wise ever since the PS2 took its stage. That is my logic - you shouldnt worry about such little things and even going as far as making a rant about it on another topic.

Again...I'm going to ask why did you quote me and mention the Wii-U when it had nothing to do with the topic at hand, this whole discussion wouldnt happen if you didnt do that. Even the OP himself few posts ago asked why did the discussion bring up the Wii-U.

Well if you're going to dismiss sources for literally no reason, I'm going to end this conversation as clearly you don't want to actually have a mature, logical debate. 

If you want to debate why you should call a console by the dev name, take it to PM'ing as you are now just going off-topic.

You said the Nintendo franchises are loved by the masses. I said if that was the case, surely the Wii U would have sold more. In other words, Nintendo franchises are not loved by the masses, evident by the low Wii U sales. 



What's with some of those *known* anti-Nintendo people coming into practically every single Nintendo thread and derailing the whole thing with stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the thread's subject, at all? Geez stop the silliness and get over it, everyone knows you guys don't like Nintendo one bit, so stop spamming Nintendo threads. -_-

Anyway, OP, I would assume because they simply appeal to a much wider audience than most of the typical 'core' games which are very front-loaded. Good gameplay is good forever, which is basically what those evergreen titles focus on. Good graphics go bad really fast, and increasingly so. So if your game doesn't have a whole lot else to distinguish itself beside pretty visuals, it will stop selling pretty soon.



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