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New Games will make Wii U sales go...

Up a little. 12-15k a week in March. 85 35.56%
 
Up a lot. 15-20k. 50 20.92%
 
Way up! 20k+. The winter drought is over!! 53 22.18%
 
No impact. 10k. 35 14.64%
 
WiiDuuumed! Sales going down... 16 6.69%
 
Total:239
the_dengle on 06 March 2013
Mummelmann said:

It will? I guess we'll have to see. There's nothing to suggest that it will sell as much as the GC versions, the popularity and attach rates of Nintendo franchises are hard to determine, for instance Super Mario 64 sold almost 12 million, an insane attach rate and more than Super Mario Galaxy despite the Wii's massive installed base advantage. In fact, Galaxy 2 is even farther down, at almost 4 million behind the original, despite massively good reviews, even bigger installed base, the popularity of the first one and having had almost three years to sell.

With the Wii U bound to have a lot smaller installed base and the varying degrees of popularity of various franchises, there's no basis for saying that Pikmin will sell over 1 million, for instance, I find it more likely that the smaller Nintendo franchises won't suddenly flare up and grow for no reason. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition sold about 500k more than Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube and this is a remake as well.

When you say so yourself that remakes and re-releases aren't that significant, what does that say when the Wii U is basically going to have to live off of very late ports and a Zelda remake through the foreseeable future? There's trouble abound, Pikmin is just one splash in the ocean of woes the Wii U is facing now and in the coming year, I'm afraid.

Come now. A Zelda remake is a completely different world from a New Play Control Pikmin game. Ocarina 3D is over 3 million. Previous remakes have sold over 2 million as well.

If there's nothing to suggest that Pikmin 3 will sell as well as the GC games, there's even less to suggest that it will sell dramatically less. How about the sales history of the franchise suggesting a million sales? That's the best indicator you could ask for.

And I'll add that Mario Kart and 3D Mario are in the foreseeable future. You forgot those little things.



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Mummelmann on 06 March 2013
the_dengle said:
Mummelmann said:

It will? I guess we'll have to see. There's nothing to suggest that it will sell as much as the GC versions, the popularity and attach rates of Nintendo franchises are hard to determine, for instance Super Mario 64 sold almost 12 million, an insane attach rate and more than Super Mario Galaxy despite the Wii's massive installed base advantage. In fact, Galaxy 2 is even farther down, at almost 4 million behind the original, despite massively good reviews, even bigger installed base, the popularity of the first one and having had almost three years to sell.

With the Wii U bound to have a lot smaller installed base and the varying degrees of popularity of various franchises, there's no basis for saying that Pikmin will sell over 1 million, for instance, I find it more likely that the smaller Nintendo franchises won't suddenly flare up and grow for no reason. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition sold about 500k more than Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube and this is a remake as well.

When you say so yourself that remakes and re-releases aren't that significant, what does that say when the Wii U is basically going to have to live off of very late ports and a Zelda remake through the foreseeable future? There's trouble abound, Pikmin is just one splash in the ocean of woes the Wii U is facing now and in the coming year, I'm afraid.

Come now. A Zelda remake is a completely different world from a New Play Control Pikmin game. Ocarina 3D is over 3 million. Previous remakes have sold over 2 million as well.

If there's nothing to suggest that Pikmin 3 will sell as well as the GC games, there's even less to suggest that it will sell dramatically less. How about the sales history of the franchise suggesting a million sales? That's the best indicator you could ask for.

And I'll add that Mario Kart and 3D Mario are in the foreseeable future. You forgot those little things.


I haven't forgotten anything, until the holidays, the Wii U's line-up is looking incredibly weak from where I'm sitting. Mario Kart and 3D Mario are true system sellers, along with NSMB and Zelda, there's denying that. They're also arguably the best franchises Nintendo have (and that's saying something).

How is there less to suggest that Pikmin won't cross 1 million sales? What in the Wii U's market and current situation makes 1 million or more credible? At best, there's an equal chance of selling well and selling poorly, there's no present logic to suggest that Pikmin will do very well, certainly not presiding over the opposite.



TheLastStarFighter on 06 March 2013
Mummelmann said:
the_dengle said:
Mummelmann said:

It will? I guess we'll have to see. There's nothing to suggest that it will sell as much as the GC versions, the popularity and attach rates of Nintendo franchises are hard to determine, for instance Super Mario 64 sold almost 12 million, an insane attach rate and more than Super Mario Galaxy despite the Wii's massive installed base advantage. In fact, Galaxy 2 is even farther down, at almost 4 million behind the original, despite massively good reviews, even bigger installed base, the popularity of the first one and having had almost three years to sell.

With the Wii U bound to have a lot smaller installed base and the varying degrees of popularity of various franchises, there's no basis for saying that Pikmin will sell over 1 million, for instance, I find it more likely that the smaller Nintendo franchises won't suddenly flare up and grow for no reason. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition sold about 500k more than Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube and this is a remake as well.

When you say so yourself that remakes and re-releases aren't that significant, what does that say when the Wii U is basically going to have to live off of very late ports and a Zelda remake through the foreseeable future? There's trouble abound, Pikmin is just one splash in the ocean of woes the Wii U is facing now and in the coming year, I'm afraid.

Come now. A Zelda remake is a completely different world from a New Play Control Pikmin game. Ocarina 3D is over 3 million. Previous remakes have sold over 2 million as well.

If there's nothing to suggest that Pikmin 3 will sell as well as the GC games, there's even less to suggest that it will sell dramatically less. How about the sales history of the franchise suggesting a million sales? That's the best indicator you could ask for.

And I'll add that Mario Kart and 3D Mario are in the foreseeable future. You forgot those little things.


I haven't forgotten anything, until the holidays, the Wii U's line-up is looking incredibly weak from where I'm sitting. Mario Kart and 3D Mario are true system sellers, along with NSMB and Zelda, there's denying that. They're also arguably the best franchises Nintendo have (and that's saying something).

How is there less to suggest that Pikmin won't cross 1 million sales? What in the Wii U's market and current situation makes 1 million or more credible? At best, there's an equal chance of selling well and selling poorly, there's no present logic to suggest that Pikmin will do very well, certainly not presiding over the opposite.


Actually, since the first two titles sold 1.6 million and 1.2 million respectively, there is every reason to expect that Pikmin 3 will also be a million seller.  This was with a very low selling system.  Even detractors say Wii U is another GameCube, so I think at worst one would expect WiiU to have similar lifetime sales as the GCN, and Pikmin 3 to be around what the first two titles.  In truth reality, I would personally expect it to do a little better.  Wii U is in a better position than GCN being the successor to a market leader and not facing the tital wave that was the PS2 already being out for a year.  Pikmin 3 is in a better position than Pikmin, being an already established brand, having fans who have waited a long time for a sequel, arriving on a system that is hungry for games, and being the game that is the first real visual 1st party showcase title.  Anything could happen, but there is certainly more reason to think it will be a respectable 1 million seller or better, than to expect it to bomb.



Mummelmann on 06 March 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
Mummelmann said:
the_dengle said:
Mummelmann said:

It will? I guess we'll have to see. There's nothing to suggest that it will sell as much as the GC versions, the popularity and attach rates of Nintendo franchises are hard to determine, for instance Super Mario 64 sold almost 12 million, an insane attach rate and more than Super Mario Galaxy despite the Wii's massive installed base advantage. In fact, Galaxy 2 is even farther down, at almost 4 million behind the original, despite massively good reviews, even bigger installed base, the popularity of the first one and having had almost three years to sell.

With the Wii U bound to have a lot smaller installed base and the varying degrees of popularity of various franchises, there's no basis for saying that Pikmin will sell over 1 million, for instance, I find it more likely that the smaller Nintendo franchises won't suddenly flare up and grow for no reason. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition sold about 500k more than Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube and this is a remake as well.

When you say so yourself that remakes and re-releases aren't that significant, what does that say when the Wii U is basically going to have to live off of very late ports and a Zelda remake through the foreseeable future? There's trouble abound, Pikmin is just one splash in the ocean of woes the Wii U is facing now and in the coming year, I'm afraid.

Come now. A Zelda remake is a completely different world from a New Play Control Pikmin game. Ocarina 3D is over 3 million. Previous remakes have sold over 2 million as well.

If there's nothing to suggest that Pikmin 3 will sell as well as the GC games, there's even less to suggest that it will sell dramatically less. How about the sales history of the franchise suggesting a million sales? That's the best indicator you could ask for.

And I'll add that Mario Kart and 3D Mario are in the foreseeable future. You forgot those little things.


I haven't forgotten anything, until the holidays, the Wii U's line-up is looking incredibly weak from where I'm sitting. Mario Kart and 3D Mario are true system sellers, along with NSMB and Zelda, there's denying that. They're also arguably the best franchises Nintendo have (and that's saying something).

How is there less to suggest that Pikmin won't cross 1 million sales? What in the Wii U's market and current situation makes 1 million or more credible? At best, there's an equal chance of selling well and selling poorly, there's no present logic to suggest that Pikmin will do very well, certainly not presiding over the opposite.


Actually, since the first two titles sold 1.6 million and 1.2 million respectively, there is every reason to expect that Pikmin 3 will also be a million seller.  This was with a very low selling system.  Even detractors say Wii U is another GameCube, so I think at worst one would expect WiiU to have similar lifetime sales as the GCN, and Pikmin 3 to be around what the first two titles.  In truth reality, I would personally expect it to do a little better.  Wii U is in a better position than GCN being the successor to a market leader and not facing the tital wave that was the PS2 already being out for a year.  Pikmin 3 is in a better position than Pikmin, being an already established brand, having fans who have waited a long time for a sequel, arriving on a system that is hungry for games, and being the game that is the first real visual 1st party showcase title.  Anything could happen, but there is certainly more reason to think it will be a respectable 1 million seller or better, than to expect it to bomb.


And those old Gamecube gamers will magically appear on the Wii U to play Pikmin? Just like all the PsOne customers came running to buy the PS3? No, the market changes, my example with Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 is the perfect example of that.

I'm not saying that Pikmin won't sell one million or more, I certainly think it deserves it since its a quirky and cool concept in my book, but I don't find it very likely. This whole notion of "console A saw software X sold like so and so, that means that console C will sell Y amounts of game U", its the same graph riding that people used to "prove" that the PS3 was doing fine compared to the PS2, because it hadn't launched in Europe, and the same as those who "proved" using these trends and historical tidbits that the Wii would outsell the PS2.

Its not that clear cut, I'm afraid. One thing is for sure though; Mario Kart will have a ridiculous attach rate. That is the kind of iconic game the Wii U needs and it can't come soon enough. The games you mention in the OP won't do much good as it stands.



Solid-Stark on 06 March 2013

The last few weeks of March will be better but nothing drastic. Unfortunately the wiiu just doesn't have much going for it for quite some time, until the holidays.



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the_dengle on 06 March 2013
Mummelmann said:

What do you say we put our sigs where our keyboards are? I'll bet Pikmin 3 sells over 600k globally by the end of 2013.



Mummelmann on 06 March 2013
the_dengle said:
Mummelmann said:

What do you say we put our sigs where our keyboards are? I'll bet Pikmin 3 sells over 600k globally by the end of 2013.


Sig bets? Haven't tried of those before.

Okay, sure.

I say that Pikmin 3 won't sell more than 750k lifetime.



curl-6 on 06 March 2013

The system might get a small, brief boost, but none of those game are big system sellers.

If they want their console to sell, Nintendo need to (A) do some damn advertising, along the lines of the "this is not DS, this is 3DS" campaign, so people know it's a new console, and (B) bring out some high profile games; 3D Mario, Smash bros, and Mario Kart may be a ways off, but Pikmin 3 would help.



YukanaSenix on 06 March 2013

Super Mario(and games he is in) and Zelda are the only games that will boost the WIiU Numbers.

Everything else is either on other platforms,to niche or not big enough in general to justify a new console.
I will buy a WiiU with Zelda - Everything else i really don't care for right now.Mario,"Xenoblade"(the new game from them) and few others will get attention
when i have the console bought for the game i like and need.



Michael-5 on 06 March 2013
Mummelmann said:
the_dengle said:
Mummelmann said:

What do you say we put our sigs where our keyboards are? I'll bet Pikmin 3 sells over 600k globally by the end of 2013.


Sig bets? Haven't tried of those before.

Okay, sure.

I say that Pikmin 3 won't sell more than 750k lifetime.

I want in on this!!!

I bet Pikmin 3 will sell over 750k in the year it launches globally.

Pikmin 1 and 2 combine to nearly 3 million sells (ingoring the Wii remakes).



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