Not sure what relevance that has to do with the point people are making. No one's lynching him either, it's a debate. People disagree, give their viewpoint on his post and he has the opportunity to respond. If it's all within the rules then there's no problems as far as I can see.

Before I answer your question, how do you define shovelware? Some of the games people define as shovelware have actually sold fairly well. 

Your second paragraph makes absolute no sense whatsoever..I mean wtf is this? 

Why does it bother you so much I responded in this thread? Is this some type of a special thread that only posts that won't hurt your feelings are allowed? I mean hell..this isn't even the Nintendo forums

Let me try one last time to make sense of this to you. The OP is as full of it as a statement such as ..for example, if I say

3rd party games on nintendo systems aren't selling well/doesn't get ported because nintendo fans have inferior taste than ps360 gamers when it comes to quality games. This is because they just do not know better due not actually having bothered to play those games or because they never got the chance to do so. 

..what do you think? What would be your opinion on such a statement? Don't run around the issue I want to know what you actually think of the above statement. Do you agree?

Well it IS a JRPG. Might not be what we usually see but it definitely is one by definition

I don't see the differnece to what you are saying to what I said in the OP if the core games are low quality then it won't be bought. If you as nintendo gamer had the option to buy zelda, skyrim, cod, metroid on a nintendo console which would you buy first and why.

That's actually a good point, and one of the reasons why I believe third parties treat Nintendo users in such a way. 

For instance, a company releases a game that was probably cheap to develop, and releases it to pretty big sales. Other third parties see this and think "$", so attempt to emulate the same thing. However, all it does is give them a bad reputation on the console, and future releases by said publisher are generally questioned by purchasers.

Not all games that were made on the cheap can be big hits, some just got lucky and hit what the market was looking for at the time. However if some 3rd parties attempt to follow suit and don't get the same sales, they should not be blaming the consumer. They read the market completely wrong.

And this is why you don't get it. I suggest that you read the second paragraph until you DO understand that 3rd parties attempts on Nintendo platforms HAVE been mediocre attempts, and therefore may have some kind of bearing on the OP's opinion on the matter. Yet you had to jup to a conclusion and say "Yeah well...its just damage control". BULLSHIT!

If you said that, I'd say "Like I give a shit about what you think", which is what you should consider trying sometime. Stop getting so wrapped up in what other people think.

Fair enough. But you have to blame nintendo a bit for that. The wii was underpowered and unique so people had to dumb down the games to some extent to port it to the wii. There havent been any (or at least very few) 3rd party "hardcore" titles which nintendo can point at and say - "this sold more than on either the ps3 or xbox 360" in spite of its greater sales and without evidence of this of course you will have developers be a bit leery. 

@bold: oh the Irony! It's so obvious I hope even you will notice it :D

I'm certain great 3rd party attempts on the system have existed too. And quite a lot of them sucked in sales as well. 

So basically you ARE agreeing with me saying the OP and other nintendo gamers think so about the quality of 3rd party games because it's not reality because they just don't know better since they have not had the chance to experience it....ok gotcha ;) 

phew you could saved me some time if you said so earlier :D The OP is damage controlling because he just don't know better. You should let him know too

I hope YOU understand that it was you responding to the OP, not me...

You still don't get it at all. It almost seems like you're cherrypicking the parts of the post that you want to respond to while ignoring the parts that you know you have no case against.

Once again, third parties HAVE attempted to publish on Nintendo systems before. They don't just outright bitch that they can't sell games on a system without even reelasing a game on it. What you're failing to realise is that game "X" is a completely different game on one platform as it is another platform. It IS reality, it's the impression 3rd parties have given them.

For example, say Exxon Mobil opened up a big oil refinery next door to you, spouting tons of pollution, smells, etc into the air. It's noisy as hell, and operates 24 hours a day, so good luck with sleeping. Now on that matter, wouldnt you be just a LITTLE annoyed at Exxon Mobil? Just a little? Try to understand here...

It's like talking to a wall. I was responding to the OP and I still stand by what I said. Where did I contradict this? 

Second para: It may be the case with some games. But what about those that 3rd parties have actually put some effort? What about those games with some extra content just for nintendo users? What about them? if thsoe games sell like shit then who is to blame?

Either way you are right about one thing..my comment was about specific points in the OP such as the quality of first party ninty titles. You did a marvelous job dodging my question from the previous post..then again didn't expect you to actually have an answer either. Because you understand it is such a BS statement to make and a stance to take. 

Being annoyed by some lame ass efforts of publishers doesn't make it right to make stupid statements. They have nothing to do with each other. Don't think I made any arguments against bad ports to ninty systems either. That's just in your head. I have no desire to take the feelings and past experiences the OP had to go through by playing on nintendo consoles into account when he make blanket statements about other consoles as well. 

But please...keep not getting the point or bringing in some more arguments about topics I never addressed in the first place. Tell me how you really feel