Which Kantor locked then left this equally flame bait thread open.  They really do wonders at making themselves seem a unbiased mod team at times.

It's ok, he told me because this one is serious it is allowed.  Sounds like horrible modding to me.

I honestly feel like we should be able to vote mods out of there power because this is pathetic modding.

New thread; Should we trust anyone after this gen?

I wish i could OP, i wish i could.

Yeah I understand that completely which is why i didnt argue in this thread.  The thing is, most people dont get that and is why this thread will likely near 200 responses.

I think locking your thread was the right modding decision, what I don't understand is why this thread is equally still allowed though.  Its ridiculous, don't think I'm gonna be visiting this site much longer the way this weeks been handled.

And i agree. I feel either all of them should stay up or all of them should be locked.  They are all making the same cases.  This week has been handled poorly.  And itll likely get worst as the new consoles get released.

im sure an XBOX fan could give you a list of flaws not to trust SONY but its meaningless

I fail to see why this thread should be locked.

There's no flaming going on.
The points brought up are fair.
There's no assertion of truth, mostly just opinions being exchanged.
There's no flame-baiting.

This is what a forum should be. It's an honest thread with an honest title with respectable points that should certainly be a topic of discussion. Just because some people might get butthurt over the opinions doesn't mean it should be locked. what is wrong with you people?

Not the point.  The ps3 one was locked that also pointed out problems but it was locked.  If one is to be locked then all of them should be locked. Kind of one sided

Without responding to everything in this thread I'm going to say a couple of things.

1) Paying for Xbox Live vs free PSN. When you look at it from a business/investor perspective, which company has been successful with their business strategy? Note that Sony and their Playstation has been losing money for a long time. Meanwhile, Microsoft and their Xbox is making a profit.

Think about that.

Do you think Sony will continue to do business at a loss while giving away PSN for free, all the while their competition continues to be profitable and is charging for online service AND selling more consoles/increasing their customer count? Sony has to make a change and I have a feeling that removing features from the free PSN and adding them to the paid subscription of PSN+ is going to be one of them. Simple fact is Sony cannot continue doing what they've been doing and still stay in the game console business.

Why does Microsoft charge for Xbox Live? Because they are smart and want to make a profit. Why doesn't Sony charge for online gaming as well? Because they haven't figured out how to make a profit yet.


2) Time exclusives. This whole argument is moot. BOTH consoles have timed exclusives, so there's really no argument here. Btw, have any of you actually looked to see how many real exclusives both consoles have? I have (I can't find my source right now), but you'd be surprised that the number of exclusives between both consoles is almost even.


3) The big picture. I haven't seen anyone mention or discuss what I like to call 'the big picture'. While it seems to be true that Sony continues to push for the hardcore gaming crowd, Microsoft and their Xbox continues to push for the 'everyone' crowd. Microsoft has never removed any ability of the Xbox to play all of the most popular games out there. What they have done is expanded their target market in a big way.

Personally, if I was an investor (publisher, developer, etc) and I looked at both consoles, I'd lean more towards MS and the Xbox simply because they have a wider range of audience/customers. And Microsoft's customers don't just stop with the Xbox, because the Xbox is tied into (and in some cases hardcoded into) Windows OS (did we all forget that 80% of the world's computers are running Windows? Sony can't compete with that kind of marketing power), Tablets, smartphones, etc.

When we look at existing games that are multiplatform on both PS3 and Xbox360, we see that almost every single one of them sells better on the Xbox 360 (even the charts here on VGchartz show this to be true). If you are a developer looking at next gen, don't you think that's going to have an influence on which console you side with?

Microsoft is looking to the future and expansion of gaming on a constant basis, where it seems Sony is narrowing their market to the niche of hardcore gamers only. Microsoft already has cross-device gaming, cloud gaming, etc. Once again it seems Sony is still playing catch-up with Microsoft. It's like a two steps forward, one step back scenario for Sony.