That's a good point, but why use a cursor when you can simply tap the icon of the item you want without having to direct a cursor?

And i'm saying I would never consider even conceiving of such a thing. I do not game on laptops. Desktop PC all the way, every day. I would not even consider using a laptop keyboard for gaming. Get real.

For day to day use of normal OS usage, browsing, etc. The touchpad works just fine. 

For consoles though, we have a mostly traditional controller with all the buttons and analog sticks in the right place, with a touchpad for _added_ but not primary use in gaming and OS navigation.

Oh ok, good.  Was worried for a second you were somehow delusional and preffered gaming with a touch pad.

But the only thing I can see the touch pad doing on the ps4 wil be for zooming in on things.  I mean the joysticks can go up and down or left right and navigate the screen good enough.  But the touchpad woudl help with pinching or stretching out the image.  Though seems like something could be just done with L or R trigger to zoom in or out.

But we'll see.  My problem isn't the touch pad, its that I have no idea why its there.  Sony spent 2 hours and not once brought up a reason for it.  THey never used it, ect.  Thus its left all to speculation on our parts on how it could help or is a pointless expense. 

Only because I still prefer not looking down then back up. I just don't see the value. I don't even gain any signifigant time since over the method I described. I have never seen the value in two screens. I still didn't like the second screen on the DS for that reason as well and it had more reasons to exist (I own a DS).

Seriously dude, zip it. There's been enough trolling on these forums I think it's right about time it starts to get back in order.

Actually they used it for The Witness game. But other than that yes, it wasn't showcased as some new input for all the games.

My problem with the analog sticks and triggers for OS navigation is that it tends to be slow and feels unnatural compared to what im used to now with my phones, tablets, and laptops. It seems like a natural evolution for people used to that kind of thing. 

The expense is minimal. If it had been a screen id see where you are coming from, but I expect the controller to be the same price or only slightly higher than the DS3. Obviously we will have to see, but so far I am very happy with the controller, which was my biggest worry since seeing the monstrosity that is the Wii U Gamepad.

I could understand that you don't like Zombie games, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the touchscreen capabilities of the gamepad made ZombiU a very good game. I own RE6 as well, and after beating ZombiU I went back to playing RE6 and the game felt very boring and generic, and possibly will neverr finish it or play it again, because it feels like a monumental step backwards.

ZombiU created a constant amount of tension by forcing you to look at the gamepad to select your inventory. This was much more thrilling than pausing the action, selecting the best weapon, and off loading on a zombie. The fact that ZombiU forced you to look down and frantically search trough your stuff without a break in the action was excellent game desing, which was made possible only by the touchscreen interface of the gamepad. You aboluutely cannot do the same with just a touchpad.

Simple fact is that a game like ZombiU (and hopefully more like it) cannot be made on any console except the WiiU.

If it wasn't already apparent I rarely at all play games that are not RPGs and those few action RPGs that I play generally have fast inventory switching that negate needing anything like the Gamepad for doing inventory stuff. I distinctly want the game to pause when I do inventory stuff, especially considering an RPGs inventory tends to end up with 1000s of items to navigate through compared to maybe a dozen or couple dozen a game like ZombiU gets.

I disagree that ZombiU can't be made on PS4 and/or X720. It would be different, but the on screen inventory, while action is live could still happen.

Imagine playing the game, a zombie is lurching at you, you've need to switch a weapon or whatever, touch the pad, inventory comes up, you move your finger to the right item, release, item is equiped or item is used. Game was never paused and you never looked away from the screen. Yet the screen was 'covered' up to keep that rush you like.