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noname2200 said:
RolStoppable said:

So what exactly makes me a problem?

The world runs smoother when we all agree that the Emperor is wearing the finest suit of clothes ever created.


and he does, i just wish i couod see them!



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

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Nem said:

remind me how things were for the 3ds 3 months after launch and how they are now.


They've gone from "terrible" to "not great." An improvement, to be sure, but Nintendo's not exactly delighted with the system's performance to date.



RolStoppable said:
That's a lot of optimism coupled with ignoring reality. Based on Nintendo's financials it's pretty clear that Nintendo doesn't have much of a strategy. The THQ failure also shows that third parties would rather go bankrupt than reconsider their stance regarding game development on a Nintendo home console.

The blog post also tries its best to link the Wii and Wii U, but where this comparison crumbles is that the Wii was a hit while the Wii U is not. Additionally, Nintendo didn't bet the farm on the Wii. If the Wii struggled out of the gate, they had plenty of room to make a price cut. The Wii U, on the other hand, was a huge gamble.

What a load of rubbish, you can't be serious, and must be pulling the dude's leg,...right? But if you aren't:

1) How can yo honestly say Nintendo doesn't have a strategy after coming out first this new console generation, incorporating a fairly non-standrd controller, teaming up with 3rd parties, having cross over titles like Fire Emblem and Shin Megami Tensei, embrassing online and HD convensions, etc.

2) The WiiU has been out just 3 months and is performing better than all but the Wii did at lauunch, so how can you say its not a hit?

3) The Wii was much more of a gamble than the WiiU because almost no one but Nintendo thought that a console focused solely on casual gaming, a term that almost didn't event exist until 2006, could survive or event beat the more powerful and conventional 360 and PS4. Now Nintendo and everybody else knows there is a casual maket which you can thrive on, just ask Apple. The Wii U is banking on that same casual market while extending its bet, a rather safe one, on the hardcore market. So I fail to see how the Wii U is this huge gamble.



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Nem said:
RolStoppable said:
Aielyn said:

The point isn't so much about what is happening right now, but what happens once the other platforms are released. Wii wasn't the first one out of the gate, so it wasn't in the same position as the Wii U in that regard (and that's probably the biggest failure in his effort to equate the two systems - he describes the Wii as having come out "close to the start of the generation").

And his greater argument isn't that the Wii U will be a phenomenon like the Wii, but that there's more to the strategy than meets the eye. It's less about the results and more about the intent.

As for THQ, the point is that it'll serve as a case study for the other publishers. Development costs spiraling out of control, greater focus on "online passes", etc, and the fact that they didn't really put much support on the Wii (they did publish de Blob, but other than that, the only notable releases were the niche Deadly Creatures and their WWE series).

And if you pay attention, EdgyDude doesn't so much predict that third parties will all move to the Wii U, but that those that don't are going to fail anyway.

By the point third parties might realize that they need to sell more games, the Wii U will most likely be dead in the water already due to a lack of third party support. This will not result in any sort of measures that benefit Nintendo, but rather efforts to milk the consumers on Sony and Microsoft consoles even more.

The intent behind the Wii U was to get third party support. It's not coming and it's not going to come, so the strategy has failed.

The final point, the inevitable failure for many third parties, is about the only good thing that is coming from Nintendo's self-destruction in the eighth generation.

remind me how things were for the 3ds 3 months after launch and how they are now. Short memory huh?!

Predict to me this: what will happen if nintendo releases a 3d mario and mario kart 8 with say a 70 euro/dollar price cut this christmas? take into account that zelda ww remake will already be out.

Yeah... maybe you are proclaiming failure a bit too early eh? i remember the claims that the vita was going to destroy the 3ds and how doomed it was.


wow, so much this. Strong truth. Lots of people fall guilty to jump the doom gun.  When those first party games get released you can expect the wii u install base to sky rocket. I don't own a wii u right now as none of the games intrest me (waiting for pikmin 3), so that timeframe inbetween the big games the wii U will roll down the track slowly but when that train picks up speed it it will be boomin (not as fast as the wii but still good).

to say that nintendo has no stradegy and the wii u has already failed not evan when its been out less then 6 months its silly. As for 3rd party support on wii u, i am not sure the wii didnt have much 3rd party support but it still won last gen with new business tactics and great 1st party games.



 

WII U // PC // 3ds XL // VITA

how many times do i have to say this: NINTENDO HAD NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT NEED third party games to survive. It has been the same since the N64, 16 years ago, and Nintendo still around. It might need japanese third dev support, but not the big western ones. Look at the Wii, despite not getting those big tittles, it manage to survive very well. Like the Wii, Nintendo need to convince people that they need two systems at least this gen, the Wii U for the exclusives and the other one. It does not have to win this gen, nobody is saying that it will, but it just has to do the job for Nintendo to profit again.



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LOL.. looks like most of you cant help yourselves and cant wait to doom Nintendo's newest console!.. barely over 2 months in... and we are up to the part where.. 'Nintendo cant do anything about it! HAR HAR..' .. they got no where to go but mount doom!..

well.. shieet.. even some nintendo fans are calling it... perhaps that malstrom guy have you fools under his hypnosis and cant think for yourselves... I always see a strong correlation between what malstrom says and what some nintendo fans says .. LOL.. at this point wiiU is doom according to malstrom.. hence why its doom with some nintendo fans.. lol... if and when wiiU becomes not-doom.. see malstroms recent post his probably saying it isnt. haha



 

Nintendo will be fine.



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Dr.Grass said:
Bejezus - what a load of horse-shit.

I mean, honestly - are those arguments!?

I wish I could take this guy on in a 1-on-1 public (live!) debate.


You can?  Well by all means, let's hear some of your counterpoints here on this forum. 

If you can.



BluGamer23 said:
Mazty said:

Complete puerile drivel from another wanna-be economist/deep -thinker.

I skipped most of it as I'd like to keep my IQ, and blood pressure, in check, but here are some of the glaringly obvious imbecilic comments:


1) "By this point I'm pretty sure we're all familiar with the fact that almost every past gen of consoles the winner has turned out to be the most technically underpowered system in the race"

On that comment alone the guy should be banned from the internet. First of all how is he measuring success? Please don't tell me it's via the thoughtless "WELL ITZ SOLDZ DUR MOST! ITZ WINAR!" What a complete moron. He obviously has no idea about how business works because success is far more complex than that. For example, success may just be establishing a creditable foothold in the market (xbox), or making sure you have a monopoly on the next-generations preferred optical media (PS3). However, it most likely is just about spinning a profit in which case all the consoles have succeeded in doing. To pit the consoles against one another is completely arbitrary and wholly juvenile.

So first point is, this kid clearly hasn't the slightest clue about business, yet here he is talking about the potential business plans Nintendo have...


2) "it's those very technical constraints (or rather the embracing of the constraints) that actually encourage interesting game development"

10/10 for going full retard right there. Do you know what encourages interesting game development? Devs who have a vision and aren't hindered by publishers. Power only comes into it when it is limiting game development. Otherwise why is Flower and Journey, two of the most innovative games this generation, on the PS3 and not the Wii? Why was Limbo not made for the SNES?

http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen/ 02:46 on frontpage video
"None of this would have been possible two years ago, but with Moore's Law driving PC performance and cost[...]"

So we have proof that innovation and game development can actually occur directly as a result of giving game developers MORE power.


3) Congratulations. You found fog. It turned out to work in their favour. That doesn't mean lack of power will drive innovation, just in the same way that power doesn't drives it - it's down to how good the devs are.


4) "Given the specs presented earlier one can only imagine how much will budgets rise in the 8th generation of consoles, and it doesn't take much thinking to realize how this could go horribly wrong."

I'm guessing dearest author isn't employed within a big company, otherwise he would of heard of this thing called a "workflow". Considering with new generations come new iterations of game engines, these engines all provide tool sets to make games within. Each generation these toolsets are getting easier and easier to use, in order to maximise the efficiency of the workflow, and we have an added bonus that there are now two major engines fighting it out - Unreal and CryEngine - therefore it's safe to presume that both will attempt to be easier than the other to use as that's a nice selling point.
In short prettier games don't necessarily have to cost more. Plus he completely forgot to mention crowd-funding and accessibility to use hardware. So far devs have mentioned the joy of programming for the PS4 while criticising the Wii U due to having to adapt for the low CPU clock speed.


5) "The key here lies in the controller becoming a red herring that blinds rivals (and pretty much everyone) to the rest of advantages on the Wii U's corner"

Where can I buy my own tinfoil hat? Was the 20% reduction in estimated shipped units also part of Nintendo's strategy?


6)"Better specs than 7th gen consoles but not enough to require much bigger budgets: "

And probably not enough of a leap in specs to lure people into buying a console which is just slightly better than theirs...

That's as far as I got. The guy is completely insane, ill-informed, uneducated and trying to warp shit sales figures into "it'll make a comeback - this is all planned"! Someone grab him a straitjacket.

The sad thing is the amount of people who have been suckered into the inane ramblings of a madman. It's because of blogs like this that makes me think we need to enforce a license system in order to publish your opinion on the internet. 

 

.. I skipped most of it as id like to keep my IQ,.. complete puerile drivel from another wanna be deep thinker

...Whose that aimed at?



cbarroso09 said:
how many times do i have to say this: NINTENDO HAD NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT NEED third party games to survive. It has been the same since the N64, 16 years ago, and Nintendo still around. It might need japanese third dev support, but not the big western ones. Look at the Wii, despite not getting those big tittles, it manage to survive very well. Like the Wii, Nintendo need to convince people that they need two systems at least this gen, the Wii U for the exclusives and the other one. It does not have to win this gen, nobody is saying that it will, but it just has to do the job for Nintendo to profit again.

I guess, but what happened to gifs like this that ended up taunting "hardcore gamers" to get the "uberpowerful Wii U"?