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dsgrue3 on 06 February 2013
Gamerace said:
FF XIII Vs now on PS4?

LOL.... all I can say is LOL.

Yeah this^



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forevercloud3000 on 06 February 2013
slowmo said:
forevercloud3000 said:
slowmo said:
forevercloud3000 said:
slowmo said:
forevercloud3000 said:
slowmo said:
I just don't believe they'd be stupid enough to release it as a exclusive title, its been a money pit so far, so developing for as many formats as possible would make the most sense. Time will tell but I doubt the market will look on SE favourably for the decision if it is exclusive.

Why do people keep peddling this lie? Going Multiplat for every title does not instantaneously equal more sales, and often times can be found as a cause for it selling/making less over all. Every single PS exclusive from last gen sold even or WORSE this gen, except for MGS ironically enough which remained exclusive. FF, Tekken, GTA,DMC,etc. Here are a couple of key points to why this is....

-F

It's not a lie, it's called common sense.  I never said it would guarantee more success but it certainly gives it more chance of being a success.  The reason those franchises suffered is they were inferior to other games released this gen and indeed their prequels in most of those cases, pure and simple. 

The most successful IP this generation has been Call Of Duty, which is of course mulitplatform.....

COD has never been an exclusive series to anything, so yes, its sales come from every which way.

Its so not common sense its funny that people say it is. There is nothing about Multiplatform that is benefiting anyone other than those who started the dumb rumor in the first place. Not every game that is MP sells COD numbers and they never will. It is about how well each game can establish a fanbase. If I were workin on a stable computer I would draw up a diagram to detail this but instead I will describe it...

In Group 1:One huge circle named PS2, another circle but much smaller named Xbox. Then Draw a medium sized circle inside the PS2 one and name it Final Fantasy. This demonstrates FF being exclusive to PS.

In Group 2: Two circles side by side but one is a little bigger than the other. The smaller one is PS3 and the larger one is 360. Make a circle the same size as the medium one inbetween them and overlaps. The Mid Circle should be more so in the PS3 circle than the other.

-This demonstrates how fanbase vs Userbase works. Expanding a userbase has very little effect on fanbase growth. The mid circle is still the same size, just now split between the two. All being Multiplatform caused was more dev cost and a butt ton of bad press, not to mention a loss of sales due to the lower quality.

-If you take a stick of butter and one slice of toast, then smear the butter all over it. Now take 2 slices of toast and do the same. Do you mysteriously have more butter? No, its just spread a little thinner than before and inturn the taste is muddled,caused you more work.

 

Resident Evil is bigger for being multiplatform, I'm really not going round the houses to prove why you're wrong.   Call Of Duty was PC Exclusive so you're wrong there too btw.

By limiting your userbase you limit the chance of fanbase growth, that's a fact.  There are people who will buy a game that is multiplatform that otherwise couldn't if it was exclusive.  People do not go out to buy a console to play one game so you will gain more sales by catering to the larger userbase.  The only argument you can have that makes any sense is that developing for multiple formats could in theory stop you catering to the strengths of each format which might technically impair the end product quality.  This is not what you're arguing though.


A quick VGC search shows me that PS2 and Xbox  had  COD as early as 2 so no, not really exclusive to anything. Not to mention that using PC as a podium that MP is needed is kind of skewed by the not so small fact PC gaming was dying a horrible death until Steam came along.

Resident Evil, also never fully exclusive either.

Qoute:By limiting your userbase you limit the chance of fanbase growth, that's a fact.  There are people who will buy a game that is multiplatform that otherwise couldn't if it was exclusive.

This is true(to an extent), yet this small margin of people do not truly offset the cost of making a game Multiplat to begin with. No previously exclusive series from last gen has outsold (by a substancial margin) it's predecessor as a MP this gen, fact. If the fanbase growth was anywhere near prevalent you would see a difference in sales. You obviously cannot only debut a series on a userbase less than your sales intentions, that is a no brainer. Yet fanbases go where they are tought to go. If a series was exclusive to one console for many years, then just jumps without warning, doesn't usually bode well for sales(FFVII being the only exception I can think of to the rule due to a massive marketing campaign, Bayonetta 2 will suffer a horrible death if they don't market hard as well).

If only the same number of people bought your game as a MP as when it was exclusive.....what the hell was the point? That is just it, Multiplatform has not proven to be that lucrative at all.Games that stayed exclusive from last gen raked in more profit (MGS4,Disgaea 3) and those that didn't sold less (FF,GTA,etc) Marketing is where they should be putting that extra doe, not multiplatform dev.


Call of Duty was exclusive, its not my fault it blows your theory apart,, doesn't matter if the others weren't, it started exclusive then switched to multiplatform and sales exploded.  It can and does happen.  

Are you sure Final Fantasy XIII actually sold less because it was actually the fastest selling entry in the series at one point.

MGS4 can't have been that profitable as they're going multiplatform again.

Battlefield went multiplatform and became more successful.  

There are plenty more I'm sure but if you will not take the evidence clearly put in front of you I can do no more.


A game is not part of a series until it has multiple entries under its belt. A series doesn't become an exclusive series unless multiple entries are exclusive to the same console. Repitition is how fanbase group together. Like I said, PC is/was dying so sellin on that platform was bad for business, just like trying to sell the next COD exclusive to gamecube would be suicide. So, the fact only one entry of COD and Battlefield were exclusive to PC at one time means nothing in the grand scope of things.

MGS is only going Multi due to MS's very adamant moneyhatting,which i guess in a way makes up for the fact it will assuredly sell far worse than MGS4 did.

FF XIII is the worst selling console debut entry. It sold better than XII....barely, and that is on TWO consoles. It sold far worst than X and every other FF pretty much(cant remember where IX lies tho). This is on TWO consoles now, no crazy uptick in sales....just the same.

and you are not naming "series" you are naming one entry(usually the first) which would not have garnered the recongnition of being exclusive to a platform at that point. My notion is not speaking of budding new IPs just getting a feel of the world, I speak of solid franchises that have their set fanbases already.



      

      

      

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NintendoPie on 06 February 2013
M.U.G.E.N said:

Gaf is filled with developers, people with connections to the industry and even gaming journalists. 

*Signs up for Gaf*



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 February 2013
007BondAgent said:
Turkish said:
There was a guy on GAF who said that one FF game for nextgen is exclusive. Its probably FFvsXIII, renamed to something else.


that guy on gaf is ign's source ;p

if true, then it will be renamed final fantasy 15 ;o


It can't be called Final Fantasy 15 if its set in the Nova Crystallis Universe. We already know what universe the story will take place in. All Final Fantasy XIII characters exist or existed in the same universe.



slowmo on 06 February 2013

Here cometh the straw man, we're done



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forevercloud3000 on 06 February 2013

There is no StrawMan, I said Exclusive Series from the start. One game doesn't garner a series yet and when a series has one self image it is hard to change that.

A person who never cared enough about Game X to buy Console A, doesn't care about Game X just because now its on Console B. At least 90% of any series sales are of those who already know about it(my guesstimation), the last 10% is usually -Those who did not return, + new ppl to the series.

In short, FF Versus XIII being Multiplatform will do nothing but hurt it's final profit margins. It is going to sell how much it is going to sell regardless. The userbase it should cater to is still the one with the largest portion of it's fanbase, Playstation.



      

      

      

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slowmo on 06 February 2013

Need for Speed, Guitar Hero, Mass Effect,etc, etc.

You're making up arbitrary rules to avoid the flaws in your argument. While I'm giving you evidence of franchises that refute your argument, you're coming out with hypothetical guesses such as your Uncharted statement. I only have to show that some titles have been successful going multiplatform which I already have thus making your original statement that I had spread a myth/lie incorrect, everything else your debating is meaningless as I've proved my original statement correct.

You've also made a tragic error picking Final Fantasy to linger on as historically it is a Nintendo exclusive originally, therefor has no deep rooted Sony exclusivity. Its also been released on PC too previously so wasn't a true Sony exclusive anyway thus making your point in this thread about the FF franchise moot. FF prior to Sony trying to buy exclusivity were multi plat and that's the way they'll be going again looking at their financials.



007BondAgent on 06 February 2013
slowmo said:
forevercloud3000 said:
slowmo said:
I just don't believe they'd be stupid enough to release it as a exclusive title, its been a money pit so far, so developing for as many formats as possible would make the most sense. Time will tell but I doubt the market will look on SE favourably for the decision if it is exclusive.

Why do people keep peddling this lie? Going Multiplat for every title does not instantaneously equal more sales, and often times can be found as a cause for it selling/making less over all. Every single PS exclusive from last gen sold even or WORSE this gen, except for MGS ironically enough which remained exclusive. FF, Tekken, GTA,DMC,etc. Here are a couple of key points to why this is....

-F

It's not a lie, it's called common sense.  I never said it would guarantee more success but it certainly gives it more chance of being a success.  The reason those franchises suffered is they were inferior to other games released this gen and indeed their prequels in most of those cases, pure and simple. 

The most successful IP this generation has been Call Of Duty, which is of course mulitplatform.....

final fantasy doesn't belong on the xbox

sales reflect that



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 February 2013
slowmo said:
Need for Speed, Guitar Hero, Mass Effect,etc, etc.

You're making up arbitrary rules to avoid the flaws in your argument. While I'm giving you evidence of franchises that refute your argument, you're coming out with hypothetical guesses such as your Uncharted statement. I only have to show that some titles have been successful going multiplatform which I already have thus making your original statement that I had spread a myth/lie incorrect, everything else your debating is meaningless as I've proved my original statement correct.

You've also made a tragic error picking Final Fantasy to linger on as historically it is a Nintendo exclusive originally, therefor has no deep rooted Sony exclusivity. Its also been released on PC too previously so wasn't a true Sony exclusive anyway thus making your point in this thread about the FF franchise moot. FF prior to Sony trying to buy exclusivity were multi plat and that's the way they'll be going again looking at their financials.


FF rose to the apex of its popularity and promise only on Sony console. Sony didn't try to pull exclusivity from Nintendo, they became exclusive to Sony by default because Nintendos platforms could not stay up to par with what Square Enix imagined for the product. Nintendo has been behind ever since, but Square has still been supporting them ever since. Microsoft gets the ports because their consoles are on par with Sony's, however, Versus was created to take advantage of the PS3's unique hardware. We'll see what becomes of it, because we don't know if it even will make it to next gen.



DraconianAC on 06 February 2013

I wonder how many times they have scraped this project (FFXIIIvs). I honestly can't see them releasing what they showed 3-4 years ago amidst all the built-up hype and expectation and actually meeting it. I think SE dug themselves in a huge hole with this title. They should just salvage what little they can, bury the rest and move on.