Speaking about Trip Hawkins, his recent doom and gloom prediciton for consoles in general:
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250472/ea-founder-consoles-to-become-niche/

Remembering his stance on Nintendo (business wise it's a definitive console company, unlike MS and Sony), he doesn't seem to change a bit over the years. Practically he's giving voice to what typical 3rd party mindset likely is. Even absoulutely deluded Nintendo won't accept that, the instincts of a console company won't allow that to happen.

It is bad journalism to use wishy-washy terms like 'around' when you have a just-as-easy exact number available. I'm criticising their journalism, not the literal accuracy of what they said.

Kind of like how, if they were to say "The Wii U was released somewhere around November 2012", I'd call it bad journalism.

He would just spin the fuck out of it or not post

Good for you man, if you are having fun, that is all that matters. I am sure WiiU will find his public, it has a certain appeal, of course.

However, people like me, who owned a PS3 and a XBOX360 for years, and have played the shit out of those sexy beasts, will not be happy about the WIIU and what it brings to the table.

I can´t wait to have a new console, but after 6 years, it better be much more awesome than the HD TWINS, it has to be. At least for me to buy.

If you only had a Wii, then to buy a WiiU is a no brainer, of course you going to buy it. But if you had a taste of the HD twins, man, it is to late to go back.

I understand if kids feels like they have to own only one console and be loyal, it is a money thing, I was a kid once, had only one console each gen, and just a few games.

Now I am 31, I work hard to mantaing my house and, this hobby called video gaming.

And it is not an expensive one, if you have a job. I know guys that collect cars and go out with luxury prostitutes, now, that is expensive.

And of course, the most expensive hobby of all: getting married, if you do that, you might as well be a kid again, you will barelly have money and time for ONE console...

Well, that got a little off topic.

Nintendo fans, enjoy your WiiU, it has HD, good for you, have fun. But understand why we are NOT excited, we of course would love to buy a Nintendo console again, but it has to be worthy...

I didn't fail to admit anything. I told you that I had no context for what you were replying to.

Now that I have a context, I can respond. I wasn't talking about the article at all. Hynad wasn't referring to the article's use, either. I was responding to Hynad, who said that it was, basically, silly to reject the misuse of "next-gen" on the basis of semantics. I pointed out that it is silly to reject the criticism of the use of that word based on semantics, because semantics are how we come to actually understand each other. At no point was the specific topic of graphics being referred to.

And it wasn't "obtuse", nor was it any sort of deflection. I was responding to a specific thing that Hynad had said.

Regarding the Wii U, pretty much all sources agree now that it is at least 50% faster in terms of GPU than the PS3 or 360. Every developer and publisher comment has said that the Wii U is more powerful as a whole (although there is obvious CPU criticism). That makes it more powerful than the 360 or PS3 - a true statement. I made no value judgment on how much better, only the factual statement that it is better.

But hey, context isn't that important, I was just trying to deflect by asking you to actually tell me what you were talking about.

That is more correct to say yes, but for convience sake, we 'group' generations together usually based on period because otherwise it would get too complicated. You would have Nintendo gen 6 (or 7 or 8 depending what you count), PS gen 4, XBox gen 3, Atari gen 5 (the 'Flashback'), Mattel gen 3 (Hyperscan), Neo-Geo gen 3 (new handheld) and whatever else there is all together . Which would be a pain in a conversation.

The point was, that defining in the way I did by 'controller-advancement' is exactly the same as defining by only looking at 'power'. Wrong, because both of which do not conform to the definition of the word 'generation'. Defining 'generations' by 'power' is thus incorrect, and I don't like it when that word is used because it's incorrect even when I always know what is meant. It is fine to compare them by 'power' and say one is 'underpowered' or doesn't belong in the current standard and it thus 'behind the times'.

When the kid would sort consoles in the way you say, (s)he would sort them only according to how they look; they would probably sort the DC and PS2 seperate from GC and XBox with indeed the Wii also in the latter group. Neo-Geo would also likely be grouped with the N64/PS1 instead of SNES/Genesis, while the Jaguar in turn would end up in the SNES group instead of in the N64/PS1 group where it belongs. (S)he still would not be defining generations as the definition states however, just grouping, because this kid would not know where they technically belong, in the same way I cannot know in what generation two different people belong if they look alike.

EDIT: But this has all become a bit off-topic now anyway.

But... but... but...

Was this all made up?

fucked isn't right word imo.  nintendo sacrificed raw power to give you a gamepad.  it's now up to nintendo software to prove why a gamepad is more valuable to games than more complicated/intense physics, AI, number of onscreen NPCs, graphics and poly counts, and whatever other software features that become possible only via more raw power.

I know you were. 

Wii U games have the ability to look stunningly beautiful. It's all about whether a developer decides to take full advantage of the hardware or not.

Tech specs do not sell hardware, as evidenced by every previous generation of consoles  and handhelds that have come before.

Nintendo, in particular, has proven this with basically every machine they've ever made, except Virtual Boy.