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Scisca said:
fordy said:
Scisca said:
Aielyn said:
Scisca said:
In this very post you yourself said that a game that costs US$60 is sometimes AU$80, sometimes AU$90, sometimes 100 or 110. So what kind of reference point can your price be for us?

Ah, but what kind of reference point can US prices be for us, when it fluctuates so much? That's the problem - no matter which currency you choose, it's not going to provide a solid reference point for everyone.

As for your comment about it being a forum, I'm going to point out something really important again: This came from an article. Pezus didn't come up with the OP, he copied it from a website (and provided a link to said website). Are you suggesting that Pezus edits somebody else's article? Or that a person writing an article doesn't have the right to use whichever currency they want?

I'm in the same position as you are and the US price is a very good indicator for me. When I hear the US price, I know what to expect in my country and I'm pretty sure you feel more or less the same. It's not the case when I hear the AU price - this number tells me absolutely nothing and that's the biggest difference and reason why we all should stick to something everyone can relate to. And if you're not buying this, then just accept the fact, that Australia is tiny and has it's crazy ways, while the rest of the world is huge and in this forum we're focusing on world sales, not just the fickle Australian market.

I didn't notice it was an article, my bad. But he could at least include a rough explanation as to what these prices mean in the rest of the world, something understandable for other people - that's what I would do. Still, the OP wasn't the only post in which you were talking about AU$, hence my postulate.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=80+AUD+to+PLN

For god's sake, just Google the conversion like we all have to do. Talk about whinging...

For God's sake read and think about what you read before posting such a stupid comment. It's not about conversions, but I'm not going to repeat what I wrote a number of times in this topic.


You mentioned varying prices, yet the original topic focused on ONE price, to which you replied: "Please use a real currency, not Australian wallnuts."

I'm sorry, but when did YOUR half-baked currency become a real currency? For a country that has twice the population and only 1/3 of the GDP of Australia, I suggest that you keep quiet about "real" currencies".

You can argue all you like, but if you're having to convert with the US$ as a middleman, you're going to have a bigger margin of error on the end result, ESPECIALLY if you're converting to a more volatile "wallnut".

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2454492/all



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fordy said:
Scisca said:
fordy said:
Scisca said:
Aielyn said:
Scisca said:
In this very post you yourself said that a game that costs US$60 is sometimes AU$80, sometimes AU$90, sometimes 100 or 110. So what kind of reference point can your price be for us?

Ah, but what kind of reference point can US prices be for us, when it fluctuates so much? That's the problem - no matter which currency you choose, it's not going to provide a solid reference point for everyone.

As for your comment about it being a forum, I'm going to point out something really important again: This came from an article. Pezus didn't come up with the OP, he copied it from a website (and provided a link to said website). Are you suggesting that Pezus edits somebody else's article? Or that a person writing an article doesn't have the right to use whichever currency they want?

I'm in the same position as you are and the US price is a very good indicator for me. When I hear the US price, I know what to expect in my country and I'm pretty sure you feel more or less the same. It's not the case when I hear the AU price - this number tells me absolutely nothing and that's the biggest difference and reason why we all should stick to something everyone can relate to. And if you're not buying this, then just accept the fact, that Australia is tiny and has it's crazy ways, while the rest of the world is huge and in this forum we're focusing on world sales, not just the fickle Australian market.

I didn't notice it was an article, my bad. But he could at least include a rough explanation as to what these prices mean in the rest of the world, something understandable for other people - that's what I would do. Still, the OP wasn't the only post in which you were talking about AU$, hence my postulate.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=80+AUD+to+PLN

For god's sake, just Google the conversion like we all have to do. Talk about whinging...

For God's sake read and think about what you read before posting such a stupid comment. It's not about conversions, but I'm not going to repeat what I wrote a number of times in this topic.


You mentioned varying prices, yet the original topic focused on ONE price, to which you replied: "Please use a real currency, not Australian wallnuts."

I'm sorry, but when did YOUR half-baked currency become a real currency? For a country that has twice the population and only 1/3 of the GDP of Australia, I suggest that you keep quiet about "real" currencies".

You can argue all you like, but if you're having to convert with the US$ as a middleman, you're going to have a bigger margin of error on the end result, ESPECIALLY if you're converting to a more volatile "wallnut".

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2454492/all

Another up-tight Aussie... Are you all like that? Is it cause you walk up-side down all the time and blood hits your heads?

I should just ask to read my posts again and think, but I see you're not capable of doing that, so I'll answer. I have never said my currency is "real" for these purposes - I have stated multiple times in this very thread that I am using exclusively US $ or Euro, so stop trying to imply that I said something I didn't. And yes, using the middleman is much easier for me, cause the exchange rate in gaming business are at the same level all the time and they ignore the day-to-day fluctuations of exchange rate between Euro and Złoty. A game that costs Euro 60 always costs the same amount in my country. It also works for the prices of consoles. You tell me the price in Euro or US$ and I know how much it will cost me. On the other hand, you give me the price in AU $ and I have no idea where to put it. Not even the slightest, even knowing the exchange rate. And that ONE price you talk about - go check how the exchange for Wii and Wii U were working just to see how much information can a price in your currency give to anyone outside of your country.

Moreover, this forum and this topic includes a worldwide strategy that Sony is supposed to start. If people from all around the globe are to discuss its viability, there is no point in using some wallnut currencies that are used in one small market, which treated in a ridiculous way by the gaming industry. We should stick to what controls 2/3 of the world market and is understandable to everyone.

To the article - good for you, but when it comes to gaming industry you guys are treated like the 3rd world even compared to Poland. We have a fixed rate of exchange with Euro, which gives us stability and actually lower prices than the Euro zone, while you never know what you'll end up seeing in the stores. A US$60 game can cost anything from AU$80 to 110, the same goes for consoles. So your currency can't be considered any kind of a reference point, no matter what economists think about it. Just deal with it.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

Aielyn said:
Farsala said:
AU$ is worth about the same as US$. But because I imagine manufacturing and shipping in AUS is harder then US it is about 300$ more. 900$ is still too much.

The Aussie dollar is worth more than the US dollar. But we get royally screwed by most industries, the games industry included. In addition to being screwed, we also include our sales tax in our prices - when it says AU$300, it means you have to pay AU$300, not AU$300 + sales tax. It's got nothing to do with shipping or manufacturing costs - Europe gets royally screwed, too, even when the manufacturing is local.

Nintendo's prices have at least improved a bit since the exchange rate came to parity. We now pay AU$80 for US$50 games, rather than AU$100. We paid AU$400 for the US$250 Wii, but we pay AU$350 for the US$300 Wii U. Hopefully, Sony and MS will follow suit on that change, at least.

It's not all bad  electronics dropped by 6% in Australia  last year , and like has been mentioned  games that where once retailing at a standard $99 - $109  if Activision published it (and that was despite the fact that nearly all games are made locally)   have dropped price as well.



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Scisca said:

Another up-tight Aussie... Are you all like that? Is it cause you walk up-side down all the time and blood hits your heads?

I should just ask to read my posts again and think, but I see you're not capable of doing that, so I'll answer. I have never said my currency is "real" for these purposes - I have stated multiple times in this very thread that I am using exclusively US $ or Euro, so stop trying to imply that I said something I didn't. And yes, using the middleman is much easier for me, cause the exchange rate in gaming business are at the same level all the time and they ignore the day-to-day fluctuations of exchange rate between Euro and Złoty. A game that costs Euro 60 always costs the same amount in my country. It also works for the prices of consoles. You tell me the price in Euro or US$ and I know how much it will cost me. On the other hand, you give me the price in AU $ and I have no idea where to put it. Not even the slightest, even knowing the exchange rate. And that ONE price you talk about - go check how the exchange for Wii and Wii U were working just to see how much information can a price in your currency give to anyone outside of your country.

Moreover, this forum and this topic includes a worldwide strategy that Sony is supposed to start. If people from all around the globe are to discuss its viability, there is no point in using some wallnut currencies that are used in one small market, which treated in a ridiculous way by the gaming industry. We should stick to what controls 2/3 of the world market and is understandable to everyone.

To the article - good for you, but when it comes to gaming industry you guys are treated like the 3rd world even compared to Poland. We have a fixed rate of exchange with Euro, which gives us stability and actually lower prices than the Euro zone, while you never know what you'll end up seeing in the stores. A US$60 game can cost anything from AU$80 to 110, the same goes for consoles. So your currency can't be considered any kind of a reference point, no matter what economists think about it. Just deal with it.

Resorting to personal attacks now, huh?  You're failing to see a LOT of things wrong about your assumption:

1. The original article was in AUD, so your bullshit about "converting it to USD" would have made no difference to begin with. In fact, it would be adding margin of error in the price of the article. If you really wish to know the price, just Google the damn thing straight to your currency, or don't bother reading it at all. The article states AUD$50. You don't go saying "Well that could mean anything from AUD$60 to AUD$80. It's AUD$50...

2. Unlike games, which are sold everywhere from video shops to the major retail duopoly, the article in question is referring to a Sony-instituted SERVICE, which means there is little to no chance for a variance in cost to this. If you're whinging about variance in prices, make sure it's something that would NOT fall in the category of market based competition. It would be absolute stupidity to do otherwise.

I'm going to put this to you again. Nobody's FORCING you to read the article OR make a conversion. If you feel the need to whinge about it, then you really should not even bother reading it. On your statement about having lower prices than the Euro, wow; who HASN'T got lower prices than the Euro. I'll give you an example right now. I bought my WiiU PREMIUM edition console for AUD$279. By your flawed logic, I paid too much, considering the AUD is around parity with the USD. For starters, GST is included in the price, whereas the US price is excluding tax. It's a 10% tax, so divide by 1.1 and you get.....$253.63. What's that? Only $3 above the US RRP? Seems like youe entire rant has been completely pointless and done nothing more than show such an intolerable nature towards an entire nation.



NobleTeam360 said:
So when MS does it is dumb but when Sony does it is a good idea? Makes sense.


Exactly what I was thinking.....



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Free, or in other words $1200 as the OP states.



It's a good idea if it doesn't cost a bunch more than buying it in full.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

fordy said:
Scisca said:

Another up-tight Aussie... Are you all like that? Is it cause you walk up-side down all the time and blood hits your heads?

I should just ask to read my posts again and think, but I see you're not capable of doing that, so I'll answer. I have never said my currency is "real" for these purposes - I have stated multiple times in this very thread that I am using exclusively US $ or Euro, so stop trying to imply that I said something I didn't. And yes, using the middleman is much easier for me, cause the exchange rate in gaming business are at the same level all the time and they ignore the day-to-day fluctuations of exchange rate between Euro and Złoty. A game that costs Euro 60 always costs the same amount in my country. It also works for the prices of consoles. You tell me the price in Euro or US$ and I know how much it will cost me. On the other hand, you give me the price in AU $ and I have no idea where to put it. Not even the slightest, even knowing the exchange rate. And that ONE price you talk about - go check how the exchange for Wii and Wii U were working just to see how much information can a price in your currency give to anyone outside of your country.

Moreover, this forum and this topic includes a worldwide strategy that Sony is supposed to start. If people from all around the globe are to discuss its viability, there is no point in using some wallnut currencies that are used in one small market, which treated in a ridiculous way by the gaming industry. We should stick to what controls 2/3 of the world market and is understandable to everyone.

To the article - good for you, but when it comes to gaming industry you guys are treated like the 3rd world even compared to Poland. We have a fixed rate of exchange with Euro, which gives us stability and actually lower prices than the Euro zone, while you never know what you'll end up seeing in the stores. A US$60 game can cost anything from AU$80 to 110, the same goes for consoles. So your currency can't be considered any kind of a reference point, no matter what economists think about it. Just deal with it.

Resorting to personal attacks now, huh?  You're failing to see a LOT of things wrong about your assumption:

1. The original article was in AUD, so your bullshit about "converting it to USD" would have made no difference to begin with. In fact, it would be adding margin of error in the price of the article. If you really wish to know the price, just Google the damn thing straight to your currency, or don't bother reading it at all. The article states AUD$50. You don't go saying "Well that could mean anything from AUD$60 to AUD$80. It's AUD$50...

2. Unlike games, which are sold everywhere from video shops to the major retail duopoly, the article in question is referring to a Sony-instituted SERVICE, which means there is little to no chance for a variance in cost to this. If you're whinging about variance in prices, make sure it's something that would NOT fall in the category of market based competition. It would be absolute stupidity to do otherwise.

I'm going to put this to you again. Nobody's FORCING you to read the article OR make a conversion. If you feel the need to whinge about it, then you really should not even bother reading it. On your statement about having lower prices than the Euro, wow; who HASN'T got lower prices than the Euro. I'll give you an example right now. I bought my WiiU PREMIUM edition console for AUD$279. By your flawed logic, I paid too much, considering the AUD is around parity with the USD. For starters, GST is included in the price, whereas the US price is excluding tax. It's a 10% tax, so divide by 1.1 and you get.....$253.63. What's that? Only $3 above the US RRP? Seems like youe entire rant has been completely pointless and done nothing more than show such an intolerable nature towards an entire nation.

Personal arguments come from the fact that I write the same stuff a couple of times and you still can't understand it. It makes me start to think there is something wrong with you. And you keep on doing it in this post as well...

1. The difference it would make is that people outside of Australia would know what we're talking about. I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but it's not an Australian forum. I have proven so many times that googling it makes no sense, yet you keep repeating it... I'm out of words. As you have said (and many before you), you have your tax included in the price. People outside of Australia don't know what your tax is and don't really care, are you aware of that? Seems not.

2. It's not really a service. It's a different way to pay for the hardware. This "service" is just means for paying for it and we are yet to see you guys getting the same price for something in this industry. If you think that another crazy hardware price you're probably going to get for PS4 won't influence the price you get in such a deal - dream on.

I wasn't whining. I asked you to use a currency that tells other people something. You guys started whining and acting like I was trying to violate your sovereignity and independence. I have no idea where such inferiority complex comes from and I'm really shocked by your reaction.

To your Wii U price - talk about a flawed logic! I mean, are you even serious? Are you comparing a great offert you found somewhere with the MSRP in another region? That's not even a joke. MSRP in Australia is $429.95, is it not? You think you are the only people in the world who get better deals than MSRP? If you compare something, compare the same things. And you should really get your numbers straight, Wii U Premium costs in US $350, not $250. If you really got a brand new Wii U premium for AU$279, you got one hell of a deal.

 

To sum up the whole thing - it's pretty much as if you started talking in some Tasmanian language of the Aborigines and when asked to use English went on a rant, started proving that it's a legit and old language and in the end told everyone to use google translator, even if that language isn't included in it. I think it's a matter of respect for other users of an international forum. You took it as a blow to your sovereignity, which I think is just ridiculous.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

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Can't you just do this already if you buy it with a credit card? Like 6 payments of $66.5 or 12 payments of $33.25 if it's $399? what's the point of this contract? seems like you'd end up paying more than if you bought it with a credit card... Maybe there's something I don't get?



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