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Which region will it be primarily geared towards?

West 159 66.81%
 
East 79 33.19%
 
Total:238

The PS3 doesnt stand a living chance against the next Xbox in US. It'll do even worse than the PS3 there.



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platformmaster918 said:
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platformmaster918 said:

well once all your friends have 360 you're not gonna buy a PS3!

Personally, I don't care what my friends have; I got a Gamecube when they had PS2s, (bought a PS2 later for Shadow of the Colossus) and I went Wii60 when they had PS3s. (Cos hey, I can just play PS3 when I'm at their place... ;) )

I don't place a lot of value on online gaming communities and the like, I'm a single player/local multiplayer kind of guy. When I play with friends, it's in the same room, on their console or mine.

But I'm also a weird old fart in this world where everyone seems to be addicted to Xbox Live or PSN+, so I have no doubt I'm an obsolete and dying breed... XD

well like you said that is unusual given COD and Halo numbers (online centric games although Halo less so).  Also PSN+ and live are completely different addictions.  I'm addicted to Plus yet have played SP games from it only.  I mean RE5 (co-op I guess), Darksider, Walking Dead, Infamous 2, etc. all feed my SP wants in between releases.  Not to mention so many people bought PS360 for multiplats this gen that being less expensive helped 360 a lot this gen especially in NA where GT isn't as popular and Uncharted didn't get popular till later in the gen (U2 in 09).  Halo and Gears and being less expensive (as well as early) got 360 a 15m lead in NA.  I don't see Sony botching it even worse than they did this gen.  They have a lead in Europe despite being even LATER than the other territories and being more expensive so their lead there is probably smaller than it will be this coming gen.  It's just logic that if they don't make this MONUMENTAL compilation of errors (more expensive and late should be tombstone for any console) they will do better marketshare wise next gen.

Well, I should add that I live in Australia, not the US, my point was I didn't buy what my friends did. XD

I agree that the PS4 will probably be a lot less mismanaged than the PS3 was in its early years, Sony should have learned to launch around the same time as the Nextbox and at a reasonable price point.



Sensei said:
Sony will start charging for online and turn all first party studios into FPS developers.

America taken confirmed.


As dumb as it sounds they should charge for online because the casuals/semi-casuals think 360 has better online because they pay.



           

UnitSmiley said:

Those people who bought a Wii are the ones who don't have any loyalty. They are the ones who would buy a different console based on buzz (if they were even going to buy a new console at all). The 360 fans though no matter how hardcore or casual they may be will NOT buy a new console. They actually do have really strong loyalty to the Xbox brand and most of the people I've talked to seriously don't have any interest in anything Sony or Nintendo, regardless of any quality games from both. They simply don't care, they just want an Xbox because of the popularity of it. The brand name alone will push them to get one next gen with all their friends.

Now obviously there are not any facts to back up anything I say and it's all purely my opinion based on many people in real life i've talked to or have heard talking about games over this entire gen here in the US.


Like I said in a previous post i'm from the U.K, so I don't know for certain. But what you describe sounds similar to what I've experienced over here.

The thing is, even though they may claim that they're "Xbox for life". I don't believe it's brand loyalty, rather it's just loyalty to being socially relevant as you put it. I heard people say the same thing about the Playstation brand back in the PS2 era, but when this gen started they all went with the 360. (I see it happen a lot with these kinds of people, not just with games, but with music and films as well ). 

However just like how it all changed for Sony at the start of this gen. I doubt Microsoft are immune to it. If they were to make all the same mistakes that Sony made, (Crazy high price, no games etc)  then it would hurt them. The thing is these type of people don't usually form their own opinion, they wait for the general consensus, so they can echo it, again to remain socially relevant. Like the "PS3 has no games argument". It was true when it came out, but when Sony had fixed it, it was too late, the decision had been made. However when it comes down to buying the next console, I do believe they will probably wait to find out what the "socially relevant" option is before jumping in. If Sony has a much better launch then Microsoft then they could do better in the long run.

With that being said, Microsoft have the advantage going in. If both launches are equally as good then the Xbox brand name will probably help Microsoft win. Sony are the ones who really have to get the launch right and I don't think they can rely on Microsoft to mess up as badly as they did with the PS3 launch (Microsoft don't seem as arrogant, and they haven't dominated the market like Sony did with the PS2. So there's probably still a sense of threat to keep them in line).



Sensei said:
Sony will start charging for online and turn all first party studios into FPS developers.

America taken confirmed.


Even better: they'll charge Americans for online and give it for free everywhere else, so they'll take America and the rest of the world too!



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Sensei said:
Sony will start charging for online and turn all first party studios into FPS developers.

America taken confirmed.


Even better: they'll charge Americans for online and give it for free everywhere else, so they'll take America and the rest of the world too!


Genius.



Legend11 said:

I just don't see any way they could "win" the U.S. Does anyone here really believe that they'll spend more in advertising in the U.S. than Microsoft? That they will come out with a new IP that will be more popular than Halo? If they couldn't even do it near the end of this generation when Microsoft was basically saving the bulk of their games for next generation why would they be able to do it with the PS4?

Anyone that thinks the PS4 is going to take the the U.S. is just wishful thinking and hoping for some miracle game or that the strategy that hasn't worked for Sony in the past might suddenly start working now. If anything I think Sony is going to lose more ground in Europe to Microsoft than Microsoft would ever lose to Sony in the U.S.

The reason why is because unlike North America where both the Xbox and Playstation brands are very mature there are some European countries where the Xbox brand has almost no presence and as Microsoft establishes the brand more in those countries their sales in them will increase.

Nailed it.



NinjaMonkeyLuchadore said:
UnitSmiley said:

Those people who bought a Wii are the ones who don't have any loyalty. They are the ones who would buy a different console based on buzz (if they were even going to buy a new console at all). The 360 fans though no matter how hardcore or casual they may be will NOT buy a new console. They actually do have really strong loyalty to the Xbox brand and most of the people I've talked to seriously don't have any interest in anything Sony or Nintendo, regardless of any quality games from both. They simply don't care, they just want an Xbox because of the popularity of it. The brand name alone will push them to get one next gen with all their friends.

Now obviously there are not any facts to back up anything I say and it's all purely my opinion based on many people in real life i've talked to or have heard talking about games over this entire gen here in the US.


Like I said in a previous post i'm from the U.K, so I don't know for certain. But what you describe sounds similar to what I've experienced over here.

The thing is, even though they may claim that they're "Xbox for life". I don't believe it's brand loyalty, rather it's just loyalty to being socially relevant as you put it. I heard people say the same thing about the Playstation brand back in the PS2 era, but when this gen started they all went with the 360. (I see it happen a lot with these kinds of people, not just with games, but with music and films as well ). 

However just like how it all changed for Sony at the start of this gen. I doubt Microsoft are immune to it. If they were to make all the same mistakes that Sony made, (Crazy high price, no games etc)  then it would hurt them. The thing is these type of people don't usually form their own opinion, they wait for the general consensus, so they can echo it, again to remain socially relevant. Like the "PS3 has no games argument". It was true when it came out, but when Sony had fixed it, it was too late, the decision had been made. However when it comes down to buying the next console, I do believe they will probably wait to find out what the "socially relevant" option is before jumping in. If Sony has a much better launch then Microsoft then they could do better in the long run.

With that being said, Microsoft have the advantage going in. If both launches are equally as good then the Xbox brand name will probably help Microsoft win. Sony are the ones who really have to get the launch right and I don't think they can rely on Microsoft to mess up as badly as they did with the PS3 launch (Microsoft don't seem as arrogant, and they haven't dominated the market like Sony did with the PS2. So there's probably still a sense of threat to keep them in line).


Oh yeah those types of people are definitely found in every way of life. I see your point about them waiting for the cool choice to present itself before moving forward, I just don't see Sony being that choice no matter what. Microsoft would have to seriously have a disasterous launch for people to even consider the next Sony console in the US. Like you, I don't see them making that mistake. Though I do think the possibility for Sony to do better in the US with their new console compared to the PS3 is very high, especially if they have a positive launch.



UnitSmiley said:
I live in the US and I would absolutely love to see a Sony dominance here, I just don't see that happening. I look around and all I see are people who are loyal to the 360 simply because it's popular. Most of them stick to the same old arguments from early this gen (PS3 has no games). Most people I talk to still believe that to be true. Obviously it isn't but if they havn't figured that out by now they probably aren't all that into videogames. they just play a few, the big blockbusters that all their friends have. 

I believe the "gamers" here have no interest in anything that isn't trendy atm. I'm fairly certain the fanbase that Microsoft has managed to amass this gen will easily transition to the Nextbox regardless of anything else.


That same momentum propelled the PS2 to its great heights, and is also a large driver of PS3 sales. See CoD and Fifa sales on that platform. But the question remains, how did Sony fully cede half of the PS2 market to the 360, how can they turn that around. I find it difficult to believe that Sony can finance the marketing required to claw back that half of the market.



Sensei said:
Sony will start charging for online and turn all first party studios into FPS developers.

America taken confirmed.


Not sure about charging to play online, but about turning all first party studios into FPS developers... Well, if you change the "FPS" in that sentence to "shooter", they already did that.