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fmjasinski on 31 January 2013
ethomaz said:

Year over Year comparison between Nintendo and VGchartz

CONSOLE  NINTENDO  VGC STATUS
PS3 -11% -18% Under
360 -19% -39% Under
WII -49% -58% Under
3DS +2% 0% On Spot
PSP -21% -57% Under
DS -79% -68% Over

The yearly drop in Europe is way less than VGC estimated... ALL CONSOLES ARE UNDERTRACKED except 3DS (on spot) and DS (overtracked).

360 for example needs a adjustments near 400k... so that put it inline with the shipped numbers release by Microsoft last week.

Ethomaz, how do you reach this numbers?

Vgchartz has bigger numbers than Nintendo reports (with the exception of 3DS and Wii). I think all console are OVERTRACKED with the exception of 3DS (undertracked). Maybe Wii is spot on.

      EUROPE      JAPAN         US        TOTAL
PS3   4,343,500   1,223,699   3,410,000   8,977,000
360   3,015,500      77,789   5,320,000   8,413,000
WII   2,042,000     475,615   1,960,000   4,478,000
WIU     425,000     627,287     890,000   1,942,000

 

VGCHARTZ NUMBERS

AMERICA

X360 5,566,035 (-28%) 38,487,188
3DS 3,699,639 (-10%) 7,806,992
PS3 3,433,720 (-23%) 23,603,601
Wii 2,022,503 (-59%) 40,634,612
DS 1,914,567 (-47%) 52,239,235
PSV 1,177,049 (-47%) 1,177,049
WiiU 933,131 (-47%) 933,131
PSP 250,566 (-80%) 19,631,960

EUROPE

PS3 4,747,822 (-18%) 28,229,664
3DS 3,594,486 (-0%) 7,192,213
X360 2,932,781 (-29%) 22,815,302
Wii 1,717,972 (-58%) 32,469,410
PSV 1,276,041 (-58%) 1,276,041
DS 1,023,060 (-68%) 51,967,640
PSP 958,341 (-57%) 21,652,817
WiiU 452,259 (-57%) 452,259

JAPAN

3DS 5,494,390 (+27%) 9,806,716
PS3 1,233,261 (-19%) 8,895,555
PSP 880,718 (-57%) 19,484,690
PSV 670,772 (+53%) 1,109,004
WiiU 633,377 (++53%) 633,377
Wii 470,125 (-46%) 12,682,720
X360 71,927 (-37%) 1,629,950
DS 66,160 (-90%) 32,979,596


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Collection: Telejogo Ford-Philco, Dactar, TV Game 2600, Master System (2x), Master System Portable, NES, Dynavision 3, Mega Drive 3 (2x - Tectoy and Show Do Milhao Edition), Genesis 3, Genesis Arcade Motion, MD Play, SNES (2x), Super Famicom, Neo Geo CD, 3DO, Saturn, Playstation, Nintendo 64 (2x), Dreamcast, Playstation 2, Game Cube, Xbox, Zeebo, Playstation 3, Xbox 360 (Kinect Bundle), Wii (2x - White and Red), Game Boy Pocket, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, DS Lite, 3DS, Vita, Wii U, Playstation 4 and Xbox One. Around 800 games. Preferred Generation: 16 bits. 

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ethomaz on 31 January 2013

Guys.... the Europe countries tracked by Nintendo is different from the Europe countries tracked by VGC.

All concoles are undetracked except DS and 3DS. 



ethomaz on 31 January 2013

kowenicki said:

No it wouldnt.  Nowhere near.

What are you talking about? 360 is undertracked near 400k in Europe... deal with it.



ethomaz on 31 January 2013

fmjasinski said:

Ethomaz, how do you reach this numbers?

Vgchartz has big numbers than Nintendo reports (with the exception of 3DS and Wii). I think all console are OVERTRACKED with the exception of 3DS (undertracked). Maybe Wii is spot on.

Não. Os dados aqui tem mais países incluídos por isso os dados da Nintendo parecem ser menores... mas não são... se você comparar apenas os dados da Nintendo verá que a queda de vendas dos consoles é muito menor que VGC está dizendo... o PS3 caiu apenas 11% na Europe e aqui mostram uma queda de 19%... o mesmo para Wii, 360 e PSP.

DS está acima e o 3DS correto.

PS3, 360, Wii and PSP are undertracked in Europe.



fmjasinski on 31 January 2013

I forgot one thing: the consoles in the shelfs. 
Why 3DS are overtracked if Nitntendo shipped 29.84 and vgchartz has it at 27.24? Is there more than 2.5m on stores? 
I don`t have Nintendo data, can someone send me the link?
Thanks!



Fanatismo não leva a nada, apenas a colecionar antipatias.

Collection: Telejogo Ford-Philco, Dactar, TV Game 2600, Master System (2x), Master System Portable, NES, Dynavision 3, Mega Drive 3 (2x - Tectoy and Show Do Milhao Edition), Genesis 3, Genesis Arcade Motion, MD Play, SNES (2x), Super Famicom, Neo Geo CD, 3DO, Saturn, Playstation, Nintendo 64 (2x), Dreamcast, Playstation 2, Game Cube, Xbox, Zeebo, Playstation 3, Xbox 360 (Kinect Bundle), Wii (2x - White and Red), Game Boy Pocket, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, DS Lite, 3DS, Vita, Wii U, Playstation 4 and Xbox One. Around 800 games. Preferred Generation: 16 bits. 

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ethomaz on 31 January 2013
fmjasinski said:

I forget one thing: the consoles in the shelfs.
Why 3DS are overtracked if Nitntendo shipped 29.84 and vgchartz has it at 27.24? Is there more than 2.5m on stores?
I don`t have Nintendo that, can someone send me the link?
Thanks!

3DS is on spot... same drop yoy from Nintendo and VGC.



ethomaz on 31 January 2013
kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:

kowenicki said:

No it wouldnt.  Nowhere near.

What are you talking about? 360 is undertracked near 400k in Europe... deal with it.


Yes it is.  BUT, It is also undertracked elsewhere (rest of World) deal with it.  There is simply no other explanation that I will accept.

And stop changing your mind so often.  Within the last two weeks you agreed that anything over 5m shipped would mean overtracking.  Now 5.9m has only lead to 400k over?   You might forget what you say Ethomaz, I dont.

 

ethomaz on 16 January 2013

kowenicki said:

5.8 shipped would mean 2.3m on shelves.

Makes sense now... maybe your 5 million is right on spot.

What? You just spin what I said... I said in Europe 360 is near 400k undertracked... I never said anything about the rest of the world because I don't have data.

Stop trying to show you are right.

Nintendo showed VGC is 360 undertracking near 400k in Europe... deal with it.

You need to learn to read the comments before make wrong assumptions .



fmjasinski on 31 January 2013

Ethomaz, esses percentuais são comparados com os números do ano passado, certo? Você chegou a verificar os números do ano passado do Vgchartz em comparação aos números da Nintendo? Talvez haja alguma diferença naquele ano, aliás, os números de 2011 ainda são polêmicos.
Eu fiz uma comparação ali em cima com os números que postaram aqui da Nintendo e do Vgchartz, os números daqui no geral são maiores, mas você mesmo disse que os países abrangidos são outros, talvez seja por isso que a diferença seja tão gritante.
De qualquer forma é na Europa que os números aqui são maiores para o PS3 e menores para o Xbox 360. Aliás, a diferença só da Europa seria de quase 500k em favor do Xbox 360, porém, a diferença entre eles reduz em razão dos Estados Unidos.
Acho que chega para mim, haha. Fiquei com uma baita dor de cabeça.
Abraço.



Fanatismo não leva a nada, apenas a colecionar antipatias.

Collection: Telejogo Ford-Philco, Dactar, TV Game 2600, Master System (2x), Master System Portable, NES, Dynavision 3, Mega Drive 3 (2x - Tectoy and Show Do Milhao Edition), Genesis 3, Genesis Arcade Motion, MD Play, SNES (2x), Super Famicom, Neo Geo CD, 3DO, Saturn, Playstation, Nintendo 64 (2x), Dreamcast, Playstation 2, Game Cube, Xbox, Zeebo, Playstation 3, Xbox 360 (Kinect Bundle), Wii (2x - White and Red), Game Boy Pocket, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, DS Lite, 3DS, Vita, Wii U, Playstation 4 and Xbox One. Around 800 games. Preferred Generation: 16 bits. 

ethomaz on 31 January 2013

A better example why you didn't can compare the Nintendo EU numbers with VGC EU number directly.

2011 Nintendo EU

PS3 ~ 4.9 M
360 ~ 3.7 M

2011 VGC EU

PS3 ~ 5.8 M (+18%)
360 ~ 4.2 M (+14%)

Using the same ratio  for 2012... VGC should show these number for EU to be inline with Nintendo:

PS3 ~ 5.1 M (~300k undertracked)
360 ~ 3.4 M (~400k undertracked)

That's my maths.

 



ethomaz on 31 January 2013
fmjasinski said:
Ethomaz, esses percentuais são comparados com os números do ano passado, certo? Você chegou a verificar os números do ano passado do Vgchartz em comparação aos números da Nintendo? Talvez haja alguma diferença naquele ano, aliás, os números de 2011 ainda são polêmicos.
Eu fiz uma comparação ali em cima com os números que postaram aqui da Nintendo e do Vgchartz, os números daqui no geral são maiores, mas você mesmo disse que os países abrangidos são outros, talvez seja por isso que a diferença seja tão gritante.
De qualquer forma é na Europa que os números aqui são maiores para o PS3 e menores para o Xbox 360. Aliás, a diferença só da Europa seria de quase 500k em favor do Xbox 360, porém, a diferença entre eles reduz em razão dos Estados Unidos.
Acho que chega para mim, haha. Fiquei com uma baita dor de cabeça.
Abraço.

Leia minha postagem anteriorcom os dados do ano passado da Nintendo com o 360 e PS3... no caso dos consoles da Nintendos eles são diferentes pq parece que não vendem tão bem fora dos grandes paises da Europa.