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badgenome said:

LOL, funny how I knew Leland "BAN FUCKING EVERYTHING" Yee was going to be involved.


ban Di-hydrogen-Monoxide!!! 

it kills millions of people per year, it destroys villages, homes and buildings!

 

if it sounds scary- ban it!



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Well here's a question. Where does violence and aggression come from? Is it really video games? What about violent movies that portray John MacLaine who kills 60+ baddies with pistols to assault rifles to rocket launchers? What about books? Read a book and it's left wide open to our own imagination. Now why is it always "assault rifles" people are using? In videogame shooters I tend to see more shotguns then anything else.

Also when a kid turns on their parents or acts out in extreme violence maybe there are issues at home! However when the parent or guardian gets on tv they sure as shit aren't going to admit to abusing their children. Which is another question why again why are parents letting children play these games in the first place? They are mature rated for a reason. I have a 5 yr old and I. Let him ay sky landers angry birds and Mario, but I always monitor him and limit his play time. Unfortunately parents use these toys as simple cheap babysitters.

Also I find it funny how the NRA are quick to blame videogames when their precious "toys" may be banned. Why not run over one right to try and save your own. I wonder if the police play GTA and that's why sometimes they unload 50 bullets into victims that aren't even carrying a gun. Then again I wonder how many violent games Hitler played as a child to make him kill off 6million people.

Basically even if they banned videogames completely there will always be violence. That added with way to many other factors be it family, gaming, movies, bullying, other environmental issues, or even mental illness how can we pin point these mass shootings to one item? O well guess shit just rolls downhill.



SaviorX said:
thismeintiel said:
SaviorX said:
I agree 100%

You would be surprised how many gamers are man-children, and have no place having their opinion heard in political discourse.

If gamers did not have a lust for violence, they would not have made shooting games the largest genre of the last 10 years. They would not be in an uproar if Mortal Kombat replaced blood with sweat. They would not have weak forms of comedy that make "punching a dolphin in the vagina" actually funny.

As I get older, the majority of people who represent gaming and actively call themselves gamers repulse me and tarnish the medium. Give these guys some sunlight.

So, you're weak argument is that some gamers are douchebags?  Where's the data that proves that games made them this way?  And that it makes them go out and commit violent crimes?  I mean, using your argument, you would think we had millions of shootings each year, since FPSs sell tens of milions each year.

Hey, I gotta follow my state senator's choices.

Videogames dont make anything bad about children; neglect and abuse do, let's be clear.

But often times, these kids left alone are often playing videogames. Their ability to commit violent crimes is technically unrelated.

Ice cream sales go up in the summer, but so does the murder rate. Does ice cream make KILLERS NOW?

In your own response you proved yourself wrong, though.  "Videogames dont make anything bad about children; neglect and abuse do, let's be clear."  As for being left alone, it doesn't matter that they are playing video games.  They could be just as easily watching TV or movies, or destroying toys while imagining its people, which some do.  The point is, its not the stimuli that is causing the problem, but the environment.  As someone else pointed out, a child shouldn't be exposed to certain things, not because it makes them violent, but because it could give them nightmares and/or irrational fears.  However, in a normal and loving home, that child is almost certainly not going to become a mass murderer for seeing those images.  Now, a kid could grow up on nothing but Barney or Sesame Street, but if they come from an abusive/neglectful home, they could very well grow up to be criminals. 

Your ice cream comparison is ridiculous.  Just like it is ridiculous to conclude that violent crime has anything to do with video games, even though crime rates have gone down, while the industry has grown quite large.



I was going to reply to this thread with a lengthy rant about the ignorance of politicians, but then I remembered we all knew politicians are retarded and that would serve no point. Either way, I bet every person who ever went on a rampage saw Die HArd, maybe we should ban Die hard. I bet they saw 24, too, let's ban that, while we're at it.

I see the same arguments against games all the time, and it's just sad. "Stop playing Fake plastic guitar, go out and get a REAL guitar." to whit I reply "Stop killing people in games and go join the army, kill people for REAL!"

Sad thing is, that's how people see it from an outsider's perspective. There's nothing wrong with a videogame. If playing doom and Call of Duty can make me a killer, then explain to me why I'm not a professional race-car driver or football player. Explain to me why I'm not a rock star. Explain to me why I'm not a parkour master. I get that 'games are interactive' and that makes them more engaging, but the media was claiming the same types of things about TV because the visuals were more visceral than the headless voices of radio of years past.

Games are just the new medium politicians can pick on. It's our rite of passage. Don't take these morons seriously.



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enditall727 said:
Darth Tigris said:
You know, if we as gamers say that, of those perpetrators that did play them, violent video games didn't affect these shootings in any way then we are in just as much denial as the NRA president that blamed violent video games.

VP Biden seemed to take a very mature view of this, and I personally think it would be constructive if we did the same thing. Think about it, gamers can be more mature and realistic about this problem than the NRA extremists. That would shock everyone and give a make a very strong statement to all that we are willing and able to look for solutions no matter where they be.


give me an example of a solution

Oh you wouldn't like my solution.  It's far too honest about the state of our society as a whole and would require a fundemental change in the way many people think, myself included.  But my solution wasn't the point of my comment.  Taking a step toward honest and open discussion will help all get closer to solutions, though.

I love Zingers.  Stupid Hostess had to ruin that for me, but I digress.  You want me to have an open and honest discussion about how Zingers are killing me prematurely, well for years I didn't want to even think about that (and don't really now) so I don't even want to talk about it.  Don't even want to think about it.  Why?  Because I love Zingers, they make me feel good and there is clearly no sign that they are doing anything horrible to me, so shut up!

That's the NRA with the current gun situation.  They are the NRA, so they can't even face the possibility that the current gun situation is toxic.  Anything else is a compromise to everything they want to believe.  



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Runa216 said:
I was going to reply to this thread with a lengthy rant about the ignorance of politicians, but then I remembered we all knew politicians are retarded and that would serve no point. Either way, I bet every person who ever went on a rampage saw Die HArd, maybe we should ban Die hard. I bet they saw 24, too, let's ban that, while we're at it.

I see the same arguments against games all the time, and it's just sad. "Stop playing Fake plastic guitar, go out and get a REAL guitar." to whit I reply "Stop killing people in games and go join the army, kill people for REAL!"

Sad thing is, that's how people see it from an outsider's perspective. There's nothing wrong with a videogame. If playing doom and Call of Duty can make me a killer, then explain to me why I'm not a professional race-car driver or football player. Explain to me why I'm not a rock star. Explain to me why I'm not a parkour master. I get that 'games are interactive' and that makes them more engaging, but the media was claiming the same types of things about TV because the visuals were more visceral than the headless voices of radio of years past.

Games are just the new medium politicians can pick on. It's our rite of passage. Don't take these morons seriously.

+1



"I think there's a question as to whether he would have driven in his mother's car in the first place if he didn't have access to a weapon that he saw in video games that gave him a false sense of courage about what he could do that day," Murphy said.

What? Guns have been giving people a false sense of courage since they were invented. That's one very poor argument.

clearly guns are giving him the courage to lie for votes.



Otakumegane said:
pokoko said:

I don't understand what you're saying.  I'm asking what the logic is behind the idea that violent games cause violent crime when violent crime is going down during a period where violent games have increased.

I'm saying that I agree that I don't particularly think that violent games cause violent crime but violent games DO NOT decrease violent crime.

Correlation does not imply causation. Same argument theese guys are apparently using.

I think you're misunderstanding somehow.  I never suggested anything of the sort.  I simply pointed out the discrepancy.



When a society fails to understand the difference between pretend/simulated violence and real violence. There have bigger issues to deal with than just pointing fingers at media. No one from parents, politicians and educators are going to take the blame though as it is easier to point fingers.



bonkers555 said:
BasilZero said:
bonkers555 said:

I'm saying young people are easily brainwashed and influenced.


Which is why they need to be disciplined and taught by their parents the difference between Reality and Fantasy.

And I agree with that being a father of three young children. But we can't just ignore that some how these shooters have the one thing in common which is violent Video Games.

Male teenagers playing violent video games?

...Something isn't right here.