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Mr Khan on 15 January 2013
Soundwave said:
KungKras said:

That's a horrible analogy.

You have to realize that the NES is closer to the Wii direction than the Wii U at the moment.

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

Your bitterness is entirely misplaced. Direct your invective towards 3rd party publishers.



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Soundwave on 15 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
Soundwave said:
KungKras said:
 

That's a horrible analogy.

You have to realize that the NES is closer to the Wii direction than the Wii U at the moment.

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

Your bitterness is entirely misplaced. Direct your invective towards 3rd party publishers.

Just telling it the way I say it, maybe a different opinion from some, but I think it's the elephant in the room and everyone's just afraid to say it aloud. 

If I owned a 3rd party company and it was my own money and livlihood, I wouldn't make some big budget core IP for the Wii either. Not for that audience. 

If Nintendo themselves can't even get these people to bite on something like Metroid or Xenoblade, what freaking chance do you have as a third party? You're either going to make some stupid mini-game collection to try and cash in on Wii Sports or stick with some kind of licensed kids property (ala Lego or Disney) to try and work some angle. 



Hito564 on 15 January 2013

I've seen this anology used before and I also thought it was quite horrible. Anyway, about what you just posted,  

"Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place?"

Isn't that what Nintendo basically did after the low sales of the N64 and Gamecube? Nintendo's gamble to focus more on the casual market rather than the hardcore, is what made the Wii a success this gen.



KungKras on 15 January 2013
Soundwave said:

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day at best .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

The Wii U is launching at an expensive price in an economic depression. The only game keeping it alive is a game appreciated by the mainstream (NSMBU).

Again, your analogy fails miserably.



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Soundwave on 15 January 2013
KungKras said:
Soundwave said:
 

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day at best .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

The Wii U is launching at an expensive price in an economic depression. The only game keeping it alive is a game appreciated by the mainstream (NSMBU).

Again, your analogy fails miserably.

It's only $50 more than the Wii and consumer spending was up for holiday 2012, so I don't buy that excuse. 

Folkes don't seem to have a problem dropping $400+ for iPads and iPhones and Samsung Galaxies. 

Casuals don't want a Wii U. I have friends who are casual gamers who were absolutely nuts about the Wii in 2006. I had one friend that drove 3 hours to get one in the middle of a snow storm to get one, and this is a complete casual player. They would've paid $300-$400 for one gladly back then. Wii U? I've barely heard a peep from any of my casual gaming friends about it at all and none of them are interested in buying one. 



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osed125 on 15 January 2013
Soundwave said:
KungKras said:
Soundwave said:
 

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day at best .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

The Wii U is launching at an expensive price in an economic depression. The only game keeping it alive is a game appreciated by the mainstream (NSMBU).

Again, your analogy fails miserably.

It's only $50 more than the Wii and consumer spending was up for holiday 2012, so I don't buy that excuse. 

Folkes don't seem to have a problem dropping $400+ for iPads and iPhones and Samsung Galaxies. 

Casuals don't want a Wii U. I have friends who are casual gamers who were absolutely nuts about the Wii in 2006. I had one friend that drove 3 hours to get one in the middle of a snow storm to get one, and this is a complete casual player. Wii U? I've barely heard a peep from any of my casual gaming friends about it at all and none of them are interested in buying one. 

First rule of gaming consoles: don't compare them to phones and tablets, it doesn't make sense.



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Soundwave on 15 January 2013
osed125 said:
Soundwave said:
KungKras said:
Soundwave said:
 

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day at best .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

The Wii U is launching at an expensive price in an economic depression. The only game keeping it alive is a game appreciated by the mainstream (NSMBU).

Again, your analogy fails miserably.

It's only $50 more than the Wii and consumer spending was up for holiday 2012, so I don't buy that excuse. 

Folkes don't seem to have a problem dropping $400+ for iPads and iPhones and Samsung Galaxies. 

Casuals don't want a Wii U. I have friends who are casual gamers who were absolutely nuts about the Wii in 2006. I had one friend that drove 3 hours to get one in the middle of a snow storm to get one, and this is a complete casual player. Wii U? I've barely heard a peep from any of my casual gaming friends about it at all and none of them are interested in buying one. 

First rule of gaming consoles: don't compare them to phones and tablets, it doesn't make sense.

It doesn't matter, when those devices are the "must have items" it means the wallet is getting light and there isn't space left over for things that are deemed less important in the world of 2012 ... like a Wii U. Six years ago? The hot, must-have craze. Today? Old news. These people don't care about "product categories", they know what they want and what they want is an iPhone/iPad/Android device. 



LivingMetal on 15 January 2013

Regardless of the plethora of casual games on a Nintendo system, the Wii, DS and WiiU are all worthy of the hardcore purchase because of its hardcore content. Seriously if you claim to be hardcore, you'll see through the casual offerings to at least appreciate the hardcore games on Nintendo systems even if they don't personally appeal to you.



KungKras on 15 January 2013
Soundwave said:
KungKras said:
Soundwave said:
 

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day at best .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

The Wii U is launching at an expensive price in an economic depression. The only game keeping it alive is a game appreciated by the mainstream (NSMBU).

Again, your analogy fails miserably.

It's only $50 more than the Wii and consumer spending was up for holiday 2012, so I don't buy that excuse. 

Folkes don't seem to have a problem dropping $400+ for iPads and iPhones and Samsung Galaxies. 

Casuals don't want a Wii U. I have friends who are casual gamers who were absolutely nuts about the Wii in 2006. I had one friend that drove 3 hours to get one in the middle of a snow storm to get one, and this is a complete casual player. They would've paid $300-$400 for one gladly back then. Wii U? I've barely heard a peep from any of my casual gaming friends about it at all and none of them are interested in buying one. 

The Wii also came with a game and a controller that the mass market wanted, and thus was an infinately better value.

Again, you can't compare non-consoles to consoles. Those devices aren't being bought for gaming.

Again, if the hardcore are so important, then why is the only thing keeping the Wii U alive games with mass market appeal, why not the "hardcore" games on it? If you can't come up with a good answer to that, then your entire premise collapses. Answer that question if you want to be taken seriously.



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osed125 on 15 January 2013
Soundwave said:
osed125 said:
Soundwave said:
KungKras said:
Soundwave said:
 

 

I think the analogy is quite apt. If these casuals have any loyalty, where are they now? *crickets*. They're not supporting Nintendo, they are bailing out and if what they want is cheap 99 cent games that are basically a distraction for them for 10-20 minutes a day at best .... let them have what they want. 

Why expend so much energy on an audience that really doesn't give a sh*t about your type of product in the first place? They had their fun with Wii Sports, it was a fun fad for a couple of years, and most have moved on, with a chunk sticking around for Just Dance, which is probably on its own way out in a year or two as well. 

Good for Apple and Google/Android, but honestly if after owning a Wii for 4-6 years, all you want is Angry Birds ... as far as I'm concerned, there's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out. I'm not shedding any tears over this "supposed" audience bailing out and going elsewhere. 

The Wii U is launching at an expensive price in an economic depression. The only game keeping it alive is a game appreciated by the mainstream (NSMBU).

Again, your analogy fails miserably.

It's only $50 more than the Wii and consumer spending was up for holiday 2012, so I don't buy that excuse. 

Folkes don't seem to have a problem dropping $400+ for iPads and iPhones and Samsung Galaxies. 

Casuals don't want a Wii U. I have friends who are casual gamers who were absolutely nuts about the Wii in 2006. I had one friend that drove 3 hours to get one in the middle of a snow storm to get one, and this is a complete casual player. Wii U? I've barely heard a peep from any of my casual gaming friends about it at all and none of them are interested in buying one. 

First rule of gaming consoles: don't compare them to phones and tablets, it doesn't make sense.

It doesn't matter, when those devices are the "must have items" it means the wallet is getting light and there isn't space left over for things that are deemed less important in the world of 2012 ... like a Wii U. Six years ago? The hot, must-have craze. Today? Old news. These people don't care about "product categories", they know what they want and what they want is an iPhone/iPad/Android device. 

1) Gaming consoles are not as important as phones for 95% of humans on earth.
2) Even if tablets have all this "useless" apps, they have way more things than a gaming console, you can read books, you can make calls (extremely important in case of an emergency), in case you work you have all your paperwork, check emails on the go, etc.
3) Even if the Wii had a massive appeal on 2006, I can warranty it was nowhere near as close as cellphones (even if tablets weren't as popular back then)

In today's world tablets and phones are a necessity (for the most part), gaming consoles are not.



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