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richardhutnik on 14 January 2013
badgenome said:
Usually by the time you hear about it, it's too late. See: all those people buying gold from Goldline.

Yes, so true for a lot of areas.  You see stuff like tech books to.  I swear a basic rule is with IT, if there is books on the shelf of Barnes and Nobel for any given tech, the field is very competitive, if the books relate to a job somewhere.  Thing is, the nursing jobs are still there, just the health industry is too cheap to want to get anyone a shot at experience.



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chapset on 14 January 2013

Obamacare will take care of this problem don't worry about it



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richardhutnik on 14 January 2013
mrstickball said:
Read the entire article, Richard.

It states that they aren't finding employment because the hospitals are demanding tons of work experience, rather than hire new nurses. That'd make it seem like hospitals are being very self-defeating in that there is a nurse shortage, but they don't want to take on new nurses.. Maybe its because they can't vet so many newbies. Who knows.

One of the angles I was writing on is that people think that there are openings so they can just train and get in.  I won't argue against the reality that the health industry is defeating itself here with this.  They are just throwing specs out there and magically thinking that they can find a market for it.  Next thing they do is push for more work visas, because they say they can't find enough people.  This gets out, the industry gets even more people to go into debt to train.



Porcupine_I on 14 January 2013

that reminds me, it's time to cash in on that Sony stocks of mine



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- George Orwell, ‘1984’

richardhutnik on 14 January 2013
SamuelRSmith said:
Mr Khan said:

This is a problem endemic to the entire hiring market. Everyone complains that they can't find good help. No-one is willing to *make* good help.

Even if i weren't someone whose life was directly effected by this mentality, you would figure something's gotta give somewhere.


It's too expensive to make these kinds of risks. Unexperienced workers have been priced out of the market. It can take months of training to bring an unexperienced worker up to scratch - which lowers both their productivity and the productivity of their team members (who take time out from their actual job to train the newbie).

Not to mention the risk, because unexperienced workers are risky. They're use to short days, long lunches, and long holidays. They're use to the stimulation changing every hour or so. They're used to essentially unfettered, constant, socialising. My father (an employer) comments on how when he hires school-leavers, they tend to take more sick days, make more concentration-related mistakes, are less punctual, spend more time on the toilet, etc. They're also far more likely to drop out of a job they don't like.

This is why unexperienced workers can't get work. When you fix prices, you distort the market. The ironic thing is, it's the very policies you advocate, that have kept you out of work.

Exactly what "fix prices" is seen here?  If you end up having a bubble on the upper end, and costs to train being too much, then what is the way out?  If you won't invest because the investment walks out the door, is the solution indentured servitude, where the company owns the worker for a period of time and can sell the contract whenever they wish?



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Demensha on 14 January 2013

It's horse shit. The problem is people go into nursing thinking well dam I'm going to land a 90k a year salary. That's what they expect 35+ an hour. There are plenty of group homes nursing homes or old school home visit nursing jobs around. They pay shit under 20 an hour but if it's expeirence they want then these people need to go out and obtain it. I don't feel bad for any of them.



steelabhold on 14 January 2013

Weird. They offer 10-15k bonuses here in my city. I had a job within a week. In fact every job posted says NEW GRADS WELCOME. And we have three nursing schools here. Doesnt matter for me though. I want my ARNP then a CRNA license



steelabhold on 14 January 2013
Demensha said:
It's horse shit. The problem is people go into nursing thinking well dam I'm going to land a 90k a year salary. That's what they expect 35+ an hour. There are plenty of group homes nursing homes or old school home visit nursing jobs around. They pay shit under 20 an hour but if it's expeirence they want then these people need to go out and obtain it. I don't feel bad for any of them.


I worked at a hospital but I quit because I make so much more at a rehab/nursing home. AND i can work two 16 hour shifts and get paid for 40 hours. 5 days off a week. I love it. :)



Kasz216 on 14 January 2013

I think to look at why 40% don't get jobs, you need to look at why 60% do.

 

It could be that 40% that can't get jobs, can't do so for very good reasons.  They come from awful schools, had awful grades, didn't do any extracricular prep, can't speak any foreign lanugages...


For example if you don't speak Spanish you are going to have a HELL of a time getting a job working anywhere as a nurse in the southwest.

 

Generally the "2 years expierence" labels are totally negotiable as long as you have an impressive resume and can impress in an interview.



JOKA_ on 14 January 2013
badgenome said:
Usually by the time you hear about it, it's too late. See: all those people buying gold from Goldline.

 

"Buy Silver.  Its the best kept investing secret!"

 

Well not anymore!



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