thranx said:
richardhutnik said:
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Mr Khan said:
This is a problem endemic to the entire hiring market. Everyone complains that they can't find good help. No-one is willing to *make* good help.
Even if i weren't someone whose life was directly effected by this mentality, you would figure something's gotta give somewhere.
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It's too expensive to make these kinds of risks. Unexperienced workers have been priced out of the market. It can take months of training to bring an unexperienced worker up to scratch - which lowers both their productivity and the productivity of their team members (who take time out from their actual job to train the newbie).
Not to mention the risk, because unexperienced workers are risky. They're use to short days, long lunches, and long holidays. They're use to the stimulation changing every hour or so. They're used to essentially unfettered, constant, socialising. My father (an employer) comments on how when he hires school-leavers, they tend to take more sick days, make more concentration-related mistakes, are less punctual, spend more time on the toilet, etc. They're also far more likely to drop out of a job they don't like.
This is why unexperienced workers can't get work. When you fix prices, you distort the market. The ironic thing is, it's the very policies you advocate, that have kept you out of work.
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Price fixing only takes place at the very bottom. The jobs i want aren't hiring me and people like me because of their own ineptitude.
It's as FamousRingo described: the private sector has somehow managed to create a labor shortage in a down market because they refuse to invest in labor, because they are way too picky and demanding.
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You sure its not the fact that public schools and college education no longer mean you know anything as they graduate everybody. Its easy to point fingers, but most peoples problems start with themselves. I have yet to see motivated hard working people not find jobs, and I have seen plenty of slackers stay unemployed for months or years.
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I I made the front page of the local paper landing the job I do now. So, did I suddently become more hard working that it enabled me to find a job, than before when I hadn't? For professional reasons I am not going into rate of pay and so on either.
Reality is far more complicated than people make it out to be, including yourself with that. The reality with college education is that it doesn't guarantee anything but can prevent peple from going anywhere without it.
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Perhaps you changed in the course of your job search. Perhaps you made your self more appealing by hitting the streets and finding work. Looking for work is hard work. Perhaps you took a job that at the begining of your job search seemed not good enough. I dont know your personal situation. But my point was that its easy to blame someone else, but most problems for people finding work come from the choices they have made. Wether it be to get a degree in something useless. Not working through school so they have experience along with an eduation. Drugs. Drinking. Smoking. Breaking the law. But to blame employers for not hiring people not up to their standards is not right.
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Bull. NOTHING changed regarding what happened with Kelly services. I miss a hiring window, but end up getting a good background check. It had nothing to do with how hard I work and so on. I had issues with back which is one thing, which limited doing retail. But it is in similar straits as it is now. I got hired in the next hiring window. It was pretty much me being the same.
I think it is very important, on a personal level, people do work like they are in control. But, when discussing the issue, it is very easy to brush bigger issues under the rug by saying stuff like "well they people were lazy or had character issues".
I think a point here is that, there is no magic ticket that of you merely play by the rules, work hards and people say there is demand, that you will find work. The economy doesn't work this way. What people get duped into is that everyone says that there is large demand for X, so they go into it, rather than factor out what they are good at, doing that, and thinking in terms of having business sense. In my case, I probably shoul of went into psycology off my BS degree in Management. But, I ended up having people say IT was hot (back in the 90s). Well, Y2K and internet resulted in India, and it wasn't a best fit. Doesn't matter that I would be even somewhat competent in the area, it isn't what I had the strongest passion for. I did it for the money alone. Thing is that things shift.
Heck, I might actually be better off just focusing on my game design and not getting into more debt. But I piece it together, or try to at least. Likely to get more games published at this point in a magazine.
