I had a scary thought about the Vita.

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tbone51 on 11 January 2013

enditall727 said:

JayWood2010 said:

enditall727 said:

JayWood2010 said:

tbone51 said:

JayWood2010 said:

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JayWood2010 said:
Not to mention that the vita is now going against both Monster Hunters and Pokemon this year. A price cut will help but it needs better games before most people will buy it. Yes it has games but nothing that will sell it and we all know its true

You forgot Dragon Quest 7....... God.... :->

Oh yeah, i did forget about that. People want to act like it's the price of the Vita and that is why its not selling well their is many more reasons. The price hurts but its not the only thing. The PSP hurt them profoundly with the lack good software. It sold well at the beginning because it was the first powerful handheld and people trusted playstation at the time. Now that Vita has lost its godchild or demigod with Monster Hunters it needs a new IP that can truly sell it. Console like games are not enough.

how about no more psp games? I mean make a little. Isnt japan selling nothing but psp games (handheld wise)? All i see on the COMG charts are 3 or 4 3DS, 6 or 7 PS3, and 7or 8 PSP! Now we finally see two vita games but is it enough

The PSP did well in Japan and a lot of that was because Monster Hunters. Vita isn't getting the same treatment because they dont have any big games worth getting. PSP baciacally failed outside of japan software wise. You can blame that on piracy or the lack of support. Im not saying it didnt have any games outside of japan, just not enough.

I think the Vita will do fine but I dont think we should expect big numbers from it either like many people are hoping for. If this thing takes off itll likely be a few years from now rather than this year, unless they have a BIG title plannedalong with a price cut. Not a good title, but a must have title. Sony needs to learn to adapt and restrategize or they will see themselves in trouble with the PS4 as well. I know this site has a lot of sony supporters but people need to realize where they make mistakes rather than making excuses and making up things just to fit there personal ideas. Not every niche game is a system seller.

Sony did a lot of things right with the Vita. It's just that Nintendo fooled Sony with the 3DS price lol

Sony matched the 3DS price($250), then Nintendo dropped the price as soon as it was known that Sony would be matching that $250 price point.

I was also fooled because i didn't recognise that $250 was too much for the Vita. I was more blown away at the fact that Sony matched the 3DS's price point at the time.

in order for this "mistake" to happen again, Sony would need to release the PS4 at $600(the same te PS3 costed). Sony already confirmed that this wont happen again.

If they have done things right with the Vita then explain? They did do one thing right. I feel like this console was built to have a long life which is a plus. I will never consider it as a failure because this exact reason. It may not be a huge success but in the end the hardware it's self will bring a profit in even if it takes longer than they expected.

They probably had the Vita built before the 3DS was even announced so I kind of figure that the plan was for $250 the entire time. And the hardware is worth it too.

My whole reference with the PS4 is that they need to use a different strategy than what theyve been using. They cant make the same mistake like they did with the vita. It's almost like sony has been unaware the drops worldwide with the PSP and why numbers was dropping. MSFT and Nintendo has become big competitors this gen so Sony has to be much better with PS4 with their strategy or they will continue to lost marketshare. They cant afford to take bigg losses next gen either

The physical media and the 2nd analog stick.

The only thing that is out of place is the price of the Vita and the Memory cards but Sony has always had overpriced memory cards. I can remember that back in the PS2 days

and what is the same mistake Sony made with Vita that they should avoid making with the PS4? the pricing, right?

isnt that Sony's only mistake in the gaming business? Like Nintendo is 3rd Party (home consoles)!

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Jaywood2010 on 11 January 2013

BasilZero said:

JayWood2010 said:

Memory Card ties in with price problems. So you blame it on Advertising? The same complaint happens with PS3 games and i dont see it. Plenty of games get a lot of advertisements for PS3 but they dont sell extremely well because they are not what a a big margin of people wants in a game. Uncharted was their big title this gen but games like Heavy Rain, InFamous, and Heavenly Sword are just titles that are good. They will never have the same main stream effect as Halo, Mario, Gears, Call of Duty, Uncharted, etc.

I've also seen plenty of Vita adertisements. Especially with Liberation and Unit 13 when it first came out. Once again it comes down to these games do not have a mainstream effect. While Liberation is branched from a game that is mainstream people look at it as a game they dont need because they can just go out and buy Assassin's Creed 3 which came out in the same time frame. On top of that Playstation's portable market has lost trust with the hardcore market that does pay attention to niche title games like Heavy Rain, etc

Vita is an awesome piece of technology but people are not looking for a console to be the most powerful. people want to have the most fun which you can look else where in that case. For a site that is based around sells I see a lot of people on here that are very misinformed about a lot of things.(not talking about you)

I'm going by experience and what I see/hear from people I know where I live (along with the fact that I worked in Fry's for a few years) and I can tell you that Sony at least where I live is horrible at advertising some of their games - however they are good at advertising the PS3 and Uncharted/God of War/Gran Turismo.

There's some people who still dont know what a Vita is or what it offers - I usually tell them the pricing options and guess what, that turns them off in any interest they might of had software wise.

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Anyways as for Sony's first party titles: I honestly never heard of some of the games unless I've seen them on the shelves in large amount or hear it on the internet.

I agree with the fact that their games do not have the appeal factor that Mario and Halo has and probably never will due to the fact that their designs arent just that attractive and their reputation doesnt help them either. The only games that I have played and enjoyed from Sony are:

-God of War series
-Wipeout series
-Gran Turismo series
-Jeanne D' Arc (along with Level-5)
-Ico/Shadow of Colossus
-LittleBigPlanet 2

I have yet to play Uncharted, Infamous and whatever else they have.

I've barely seen Vita advertisments, infact the Vita is placed pretty much in the back of every game department or a area where the 3DS is heavily dominating in shelves full of games and etc.

One of the reasons why AC Liberation sold so bad was the fact that when you release game on a portable and release another game of its series on 3 (or 4 in this case) platforms at the same time frame - you are gonna get bad results on the game that isnt as heavily advertised as the other one and one that sells on a system with a small userbase.

The PSP mostly flourished due to the combination of brand power/name and the fact that piracy boosted HW sales in its middle years. The Vita doesnt have that anymore. Sony just isnt the same as it was in 2005, you need to remember PSP came out after the successful PS2 while the PSVita came out after the so called failure of the PS3 which did horrible in its first few years -> This led to brand weakening, doesnt mean they need to change or drop the name - it just means they need to build themselves up again.

I agree with the fact that the Vita is a nice piece of technology and I wanted to get it first (I still wanna get it though but will be getting 3DS XL cause of Pokemon X/Y - promised myself I will get a 3DS on the same year that Pokemon comes out on it) but for me personally its not the library that is preventing me from getting the system - its the price itself as like I said before software wise I can name 10 games at least for both portables that I want that are out right now.

I pretty much agree with almost everything you said and sony is definitely not what they use to be. I'd love to continue this conversation as you seem to actually be pretty intelligent about this, but I got to go to bed. Maybe I'll talk to you about this later :)

Night everyone

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enditall727 on 11 January 2013