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How will consoles sell during Christmas 2013?

PS360 will dominate 96 18.50%
 
Wii U and Nintendo own that time of year 229 44.12%
 
PS4 will be king, if not,... 66 12.72%
 
Nexbox will be king, if n... 49 9.44%
 
Not sure, but Wii U is doomed. 79 15.22%
 
Total:519
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Dream Cast, XBox 360 and other consoles launched first in their generation  but failed to win their console sales war. Launching first does not guarantee commercial success.

Lots of consumers are awaiting for PS4 and the Next XBox arrive to see how they compare in comparison to Only die hard fans buy systems at launch or when there are no competition on the market. ?The XBox 360 only managed a mere 5.5 million in its first year without 7th generation competition and it was outsold by the PS2 by around 4 to 1 in its first year.

Good points. Now apply that same reasoning to PS4 and Nextbox - will they be as 'doomed', as the Wii U is?



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dharh said:

Eh. I dunno if the Wii U will be a success or failure. Frankly I can't begin to care. It has nothing to offer me, thus failure or success has little impact on me other than the possibility of limiting resources to mediums I do care about. I say mediums rather than games or consoles because at this point it is not only the genre (RPG mostly) that I care about but also the input method of said genre. I refute wholeheartedly the complete bullshit that is motion control and any said RPG that uses such is plebeian crap such that I can but barely even acknowledged its existence. So, my position is that if others like it fine, I just hope that these games that I like are created on consoles that I can at least use _traditional_ controls.


That is all.

You can use traditional controls on the Wii U. Plus it is very likely that it dominate Japan and get many decent JRPGs. So what do you say now, still don't care, because of an obvious bias?



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same will happen as with the 3DS v Vita or as with Wii v PS360

we are looking at the same generation again



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MoHasanie said:

Dunno if it means much, but where I live (UAE), there was a stack of 10 Wii U Deluxe versions just lying there at the Carrefour supermarket and no one was looking at them. It was the same in another game shop I went to, and I asked the cashier if they sold any and he said no.  Neither store was selling the basic version. And what was more strange was that, they were selling both NTSC and PAL Wii U's. I wonder why they'd sell NTSC Wii U's in a PAL region? Anyways, I doubt they'd sell well here anyways, cause most people here have a PS3 and they were way overpriced for some reason. The Wii U Deluxe for PAL regions was AED2500 ($680) and the one for NTSC regions was AED2199 ($599).

Well, PS3 does seem to have some regions locked down, e.g. in Europe, and maybe as you might be suggesting the UAE. Nintendo also has a region locked down Japan, at the moment, and I don't see it loosening its grip on there anytime soon. As for MS, the seem to have the Americas on lock, but sell like shit in Japan. So it's all relative and will be interesting to see how each attacks those markets that they are not that stong in. For example, is MS going to throw so many Nextboxes at Japan as it did for the 360 launch?  Ultimately, there will be no easy ride for MS, Sony, or Nintendo, they all will equally have to work hard as they all face their own peculiar reginal challenges.



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DraconianAC said:
I'm going to be stern when I say this because all these doom threads are complete BS.

Why do you people care so much for the loss of competition? Competition in business is good; it has always been good for the consumer; it may suck for software developers, but no one ever said making success would be easy.

I really hope that some good third party developer picks up Nintendo's new console and makes it shine. (Like what Naughty Dog did for the PS3) I don't think Nintendo is stupid enough to make something so technologically crippled that it cannot produce good high definition content. It may not compete with the next generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft in terms of graphics, but will this matter? NO, if good content is produced.

I think Ubisoft is looking like that 3rd party that will make same great games. ZombiU was awesome, so much so that if I see ZU2 and RE7 in stores at the same time, I'm going for ZU2 first. The demo of Rayman Legends was fund so I'm looking forward to that in 2013, and whatever else Ubisoft has planned,...Beyond Good and Evil 2?



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DanneSandin said:
It's never too early to cry doomz for Nintendo!

Despite the fact it's crushing the launch of either of PS360's it's apparently doomed. It is a relative failure when comparing it to the Wii, but it is a success compared to PS360. Do you like your glass half full or half empty?

I'm positive it'll dominate next holiday with sales closing in on 10m, this will of course be effected by what PS720 will offer and other aspects - but going by the numbers we have right now it wouldn't be foolish to predict 10m sales...

Yeah, some people seem to always measure the Wii U against the Wii sales (which no one would have predicted) but forget its dooing much better than PS360 when they launched. I hope when customers have to shell out $400 - $500 or more for the next MS and Sony consoles - in a time when WiiU is selling better with end of year must have games, and PS360 still being relevant - these same doom-callers can be found.



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Michael-5 said:
DaRev said:
Michael-5 said:

With a good lineup, Wii U should dominate in 2013. PSP, DS, and Wii sales crashed after the announcement of a successor console. DS and PSP hit a real low after that console released (Wii probably will too). PS3 and 360 should crash in 2013, and I seriously doubt PS4/Nextbox will do much better then the PS360 launches, which paled in comparision to Wii/WiiU. Next year, with dominating WiiU and 3DS sales, Nintendo will own.

Plus Animal Crossing, Dragon Quest VII, Shin Megami Tensei IV, Monster Hunter 4, and a rumored Donkey Kong Land, 3DS will own. Lets see what happens for Wii U come E3.

Agreed. I think Nintendo has hit its stride with the 3DS so I'm not really worried about that. For the Wii U however I suspect Nintendo will hold its cards very close to its chest especially when it come to games like Metroid and Zelda that will likely sell Wii Us. Mario has alreay been released, so it's almost inevitable that something big, other than Mario, will be annoucned at E3 2013 for end of year. I read somewhere that Nintendo was planning a Zelda end of 2013 realease to compete with the launch of 720 and Netbox, but they scrapped that in favour of a 2014 release, which I think is wiser.

That's not necessarily true. 3DS had Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for its first holiday season...and then New Super Mario Bros 2 and Paper Mario for its second, with no other major releases for the holidays.

I agree with you, I feel something big other then Mario will be announced (Most likely a Metroid game from Retro Studios, or Smash Bros.), but there could just as easily be just another Mario game.

That's because Wii U was coming out, Nintendo is not crazy like Sony who always seems to cannibolise its own software and hardware sales. I think Nintendo actively killed the Wii and I belive also the DS, so that they don't compete with 3DS and WiiU. Now that Wii U has launched expect that Nintendo will alternate significant software releases between 3DS and Wii U for 2013. It would have silly for nintendo to have release any big titles for 3DS during Wii U launch, or made any other significant moves like bundles, or price drops for 3DS during that time. However, I expect such in 2013, a more agressive Nintendo.



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I think its going to be Wii-U, cuz more games will come out and more will be announced, and if SSB4 ever gets released in 2013 well , Wii-U will sell alot!



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Dream Cast, XBox 360 and other consoles launched first in their generation  but failed to win their console sales war. Launching first does not guarantee commercial success.

Lots of consumers are awaiting for PS4 and the Next XBox arrive to see how they compare in comparison to Only die hard fans buy systems at launch or when there are no competition on the market. ?The XBox 360 only managed a mere 5.5 million in its first year without 7th generation competition and it was outsold by the PS2 by around 4 to 1 in its first year.

Did Dreamcast launch first for the 7th generation, or last for the 6th? I remember when the Dreamcast came out it, they were advertizing that it significantly outperforms the N64.

PS2 and PS1 did well because they launched at the end of the prior generation, and first in the new generation, but that's not the only reason they did well. They were also amazing systems, and had a strong software library built in only their first year.

The X-Box 360 did not build a strong library in it's first year. I would even argue it's first AAA game was Gears of War, which released around the same time PS3/Wii did. Even without a strong library, this console did extremely well considering it's 50% fail rate. It made Microsoft a contender in the console market.

The reason why the Dreamcast did bad was because it launched too early. The Dreamcast was launched in Japan in 1998, 3 years after the PS1/Saturn, 2 years after the N64, 2 years before the PS2, and 3 years before the Gamecube. Smach between two generations. It released too early for the 7th generation.

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So as long as Nintendo can build a strong library before the NextBox/PS4 release, it will do great. Remember it didn't sell as well as Wii did in its debut, but sold out is still sold out.



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DaRev said:
Michael-5 said:

That's not necessarily true. 3DS had Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for its first holiday season...and then New Super Mario Bros 2 and Paper Mario for its second, with no other major releases for the holidays.

I agree with you, I feel something big other then Mario will be announced (Most likely a Metroid game from Retro Studios, or Smash Bros.), but there could just as easily be just another Mario game.

That's because Wii U was coming out, Nintendo is not crazy like Sony who always seems to cannibolise its own software and hardware sales. I think Nintendo actively killed the Wii and I belive also the DS, so that they don't compete with 3DS and WiiU. Now that Wii U has launched expect that Nintendo will alternate significant software releases between 3DS and Wii U for 2013. It would have silly for nintendo to have release any big titles for 3DS during Wii U launch, or made any other significant moves like bundles, or price drops for 3DS during that time. However, I expect such in 2013, a more agressive Nintendo.

Sony cannibolizes their own software and hardware sales? Explain that to me.

I doubt that Nintendo killed its own system, if they were planning on that, why release a Wii mini for $100 right when the WiiU released?

I agree Nintendo didn't push the 3DS outside of Japan during the WiiU launch (in Japan they released Animal Crossing, which is now the best selling 3DS game there), and I agree Nintendo will be much more agressive on both fronts in 2013, but this doesn't mean that there won't be a new Mario for 2013. 3DS already has 2 Mario platformers, Kart, and a RPG, it's unlikely that Nintendo will release anything Mario for the 3DS in 2013. However its very possible that Nintendo makes a 3D Mario Platformer, or at the very least a Mario Spinoff game (Like Mario Paty) for 2013.

I'm only arguing that it's also possible that Mario will be the only WiiU game for fall 2013. I doubt it, I bet you there will be a simultanious Smash Bros announcement at E3, and maybe something from Retro Studios for fall 2013, but it's possible.



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