And what if it doesn't get bundled and a new Halo launches on the next Xbox? Who cares. I like to rely on reality.

Just making a educated guess based on history. Halos get bundled after the initial front loaded sales die down. You don't care, ok. Then you really have no business in this thread.

Both franchises get bundled. And don't confuse lack of caring about hypotheticals or what ifs with anything else, thanks :)

Just because people aren't gonna bring up 3 year old thread posts, and even if they did, im sure you would just dismiss it as the vocal few, you really like casually waiving your hand dismissing all the dirty laundry your faction has done. Some things are just common sense, things we just universally agree on. But there always the white knights of each faction who use "plausible deniability" to make their faction sqeaky clean. 

So you admit your sig is just a childish attack at GT fans to make up for bitter feelings from three years ago, on some other site?

Not only that, but the signature doesn't even do much to attack GT or discredit anything those GT fans said. The average person on this site expected GT5 to sell 10m (if not less) in its lifetime, which it looks like it will. As for Forza, I'm sure many expected Forza games to sell 4-5m, after Forza 3's sales. 

So what exactly is your signature defying again? If anything, it's impressive for GT5 since it shows GT5 can keep up with racing sim games which just released.

My sig merely shows that in 2012, as well as the years 2007, 2009, and 2011, Forza is the higher selling IP between the two. I know, unthinkable stuff ;)

This has nothing to do with my sig, I was just addressing your compulsive need to make PS3 fans out to be angels.

Why is this comparison being made? They're on different platforms, in different genres, and aimed at different people...

Then id have to settle for the quality argument. But Ip sales are frankly underated. I think its important. One on one is just describing one moment essentially. IP generation sales gives the wide picture. Thats me anyway.

No, it's not unthinkable. No one expected the GT IP to outsell the Forza IP every year of the generation, especially before a mainline GT game even released. And certainly not years after GT5's release when its sales would obviously be lower than a new game. No one expected that, so no, it's not unthinkable and your sig isn't defying anything.

I never said PS3 fans are angels. Just pointing out the lack of logic for mocking someone for doing something you've never experience them personally doing.

You're just doing what you're always doing: Focusing on the absurd minority (found in every camp) to justify your own absurd behavior.